1. bh7171's Avatar
    https://www.zdnet.com/product/tcl-20-pro-5g/

    Similar to their TV strategy the product seems to be ever improving. If they commit to longer support I suspect they will continue to grow their market share.
    04-14-21 02:00 PM
  2. the_boon's Avatar
    https://www.zdnet.com/product/tcl-20-pro-5g/

    Similar to their TV strategy the product seems to be ever improving. If they commit to longer support I suspect they will continue to grow their market share.
    04-14-21 03:02 PM
  3. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    TCL just not ready to throw the towel in like LG did.....

    Their biggest market in now the US, but the fell in sales here in Q4 from 7% to 3%..... that's not improving.
    04-16-21 07:18 AM
  4. the_boon's Avatar
    TCL just not ready to throw the towel in like LG did.....

    Their biggest market in now the US, but the fell in sales here in Q4 from 7% to 3%..... that's not improving.
    Their slabs are not compelling. Not surprised they're not doing well.
    04-16-21 07:42 AM
  5. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Their slabs are not compelling. Not surprised they're not doing well.
    There are aspect that are compelling.... most praise the displays.

    But your right... if a carrier has five iPhone options, half dozen Samsung's, a OnePlus or two and Pixels... where does a TCL device fit? (besides the LG's and Moto's) Only thing US Carrier's want from TCL is an entry level MVNO phone. (doesn't mean there is room for a PKB)

    If TCL was serious about reinventing their brand... yes regular updates should have been part of it. But as I said, they are only bidding their time - maybe getting some PRC support to keep going as they are "almost" the only Chinees brand (other than OnePlus) in the US.
    Last edited by Dunt Dunt Dunt; 04-16-21 at 10:00 AM.
    04-16-21 09:38 AM
  6. the_boon's Avatar
    There are aspect that are compelling.... most praise the displays.

    But your right... if a carrier has five iPhone options, half dozen Samsung's, a OnePlus or two and Pixels... where does a TCL device fit? (besides the LG's and Moto's) Only thing US Carrier's want from TCL is an entry level MVNO phone. (doesn't mean there is room for a PKB)

    If TCL was serious about reinventing their brand... yes regular updates should have been part of it. But as I said, they are only bidding their time - maybe getting some PRC support to keep going as they are "almost" the only Chinees brand (other than OnePlus) in the US.
    We don't need more slabs than we already have from the established brands.
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    04-16-21 11:01 AM
  7. conite's Avatar
    We don't need more slabs than we already have from the established brands.
    Why not?

    Each of the 200 various slab offerings out there garner more sales than any pkb phone has in 10 years. Enough people see diversity in the available models it seems - whether it be price, local availability, or feature-set.

    You have a very focused lens.
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    04-16-21 11:17 AM
  8. the_boon's Avatar
    Why not?

    Each of the 200 various slab offerings out there.
    There you go, 200 slab offerings...more than enough. We don't need more.
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    04-16-21 11:38 AM
  9. conite's Avatar
    There you go, 200 slab offerings...more than enough. We don't need more.
    The rest of my post says why.
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    04-16-21 11:41 AM
  10. the_boon's Avatar
    The rest of my post says why.
    Having 200 slabs to choose from is not true "diversity". It's homogenous. Kind of like walking into a giant dealership and seeing nothing but midsize cars that are extremely alike one another.
    04-16-21 11:44 AM
  11. conite's Avatar
    Having 200 slabs to choose from is not true "diversity". It's homogenous. Kind of like walking into a giant dealership and seeing nothing but midsize cars that are extremely alike one another.
    But if each of those 200 choices achieve decent sales, then there appears to be diversity even if you can't see it yourself through your pkb-oriented goggles.
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    04-16-21 11:45 AM
  12. bh7171's Avatar
    We don't need more slabs than we already have from the established brands.
    Yeah I agree here. Whether it be rugged or various folding form factors that differentiate the plain old standard rectangle slab has reached the end of its evolutionary development. Amoled, TFT, LCD or NextVision and where the front facing camera hole or notch is, is about all that differentiates. For a bit it was wrapping screens. Since that actually wasn't better than flat, flat is new again. (Thankfully)

    I don't know why so many here on CrackBerry can't understand why PKB users want or prefer existing or new PKB devices. Be ok with it being a niche. In almost EVERY single other application of technology some physical form of button is deemed usable and helpful. The highest end of all cameras still have physical buttons to manipulate. Laptops with PKB's sell like hotcakes, 2 n 1 laptops and tablets with PKB are all the rage and tablets without some form of physical input are all but useless in the educational field.

    UniHertz, OM, BBMo, BlackBerry ltd or whoever should be applauded for having produced or will be producing devices most users here have appreciated and prefer.
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    04-16-21 12:13 PM
  13. conite's Avatar
    Yeah I agree here. Whether it be rugged or various folding form factors that differentiate the plain old standard rectangle slab has reached the end of its evolutionary development. Amoled, TFT, LCD or NextVision and where the front facing camera hole or notch is, is about all that differentiates. For a bit it was wrapping screens. Since that actually wasn't better than flat, flat is new again. (Thankfully)

    I don't know why so many here on CrackBerry can't understand why PKB users want or prefer existing or new PKB devices. Be ok with it being a niche. In almost EVERY single other application of technology some physical form of button is deemed usable and helpful. The highest end of all cameras still have physical buttons to manipulate. Laptops with PKB's sell like hotcakes, 2 n 1 laptops and tablets with PKB are all the rage and tablets without some form of physical input are all but useless in the educational field.

    UniHertz, OM, BBMo, BlackBerry ltd or whoever should be applauded for having produced or will be producing devices most users here have appreciated and prefer.
    What are you agreeing with though?

    If each of the 200 slabs have more appeal than any pkb device has in years, does that not justify their existence?

    I'm not saying that pkb offerings aren't valuable to some of us either, but why diss the choices other people are making?

    The fact is, there are tonnes of slab choices out there because they all sell. The ones that don't disappear - much like most pkb devices have.
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    04-16-21 12:17 PM
  14. the_boon's Avatar
    But if each of those 200 choices achieve decent sales, then there appears to be diversity even if you can't see it yourself through your pkb-oriented goggles.
    It's not just about the PKB, but also different form factors in general would be greatly appreciated.

    Foldables are one of them, sliders/swivelers are another. Modulars is yet another.

    Not everything has to be a boring rectangular piece of glass. Adding giant monstrous looking camera bumps isn't helping that.
    Manufacturers are desperately trying to making them look as exciting as possible, when they're not.

    However I'm not advocating for their extinction either. I'd want there to be many different form factors for everyone to choose from. It's just that slabs should be one of them, not the only one.
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    04-16-21 12:34 PM
  15. bh7171's Avatar
    What are you agreeing with though?

    If each of the 200 slabs have more appeal than any pkb device has in years, does that not justify their existence?

    I'm not saying that pkb offerings aren't valuable to some of us either, but why diss the choices other people are making?

    The fact is, there are tonnes of slab choices out there because they all sell. The ones that don't disappear - much like most pkb devices have.
    What we are all seeing as the slab becomes a commodity is that all function in a similar manner is a race for that sweet spot of price to performance. We all know that one doesn't need to spend anywhere near what users did @ 2-3 years ago on slab. Google/Pixel is realizing this, Samsung is realizing this and Apple is with the SE and heavily subsidized carrier deals. (i.e. we all know Apple would NEVER sell devices in the volume they do here in US without them)

    I suspect a very good slab in the next 2-3 years will be no more than 200-300 and that will crush many or at least reduce the profit margins. If the US didn't have restrictions on the majority of Chinese smartphone devices they would have flooded our markets like one could only imagine.
    04-16-21 12:39 PM
  16. conite's Avatar
    It's not just about the PKB, but also different form factors in general would be greatly appreciated.

    Foldables are one of them, sliders/swivelers are another. Modulars is yet another.

    Not everything has to be a boring rectangular piece of glass. Adding giant monstrous looking camera bumps isn't helping that.
    Manufacturers are desperately trying to making them look as exciting as possible, when they're not.

    However I'm not advocating for their extinction either. I'd want there to be many different form factors for everyone to choose from. It's just that slabs should be one of them, not the only one.
    What we are all seeing as the slab becomes a commodity is that all function in a similar manner is a race for that sweet spot of price to performance. We all know that one doesn't need to spend anywhere near what users did @ 2-3 years ago on slab. Google/Pixel is realizing this, Samsung is realizing this and Apple is with the SE and heavily subsidized carrier deals. (i.e. we all know Apple would NEVER sell devices in the volume they do here in US without them)

    I suspect a very good slab in the next 2-3 years will be no more than 200-300 and that will crush many or at least reduce the profit margins. If the US didn't have restrictions on the majority of Chinese smartphone devices they would have flooded our markets like one could only imagine.
    The comment was that "we don't need more slabs". The fact is, consumers don't agree. They want more and they support the choices with their dollars.

    This does not preclude the existence of other options if they too prove marketable.

    But LG tried to be "innovative", and look what happened to them.

    Foldables will come, but they have a ways to go with pricing and durability.
    Last edited by conite; 04-16-21 at 12:54 PM.
    04-16-21 12:42 PM
  17. pdr733's Avatar
    I agree with conite here. It’s not clear who is the grammatical “we”? PKB users? Or phone consumers in general? If the latter, this is certainly not true. And if someone prefers PKB, why should the choice or supply of non PKB devices to be restricted?
    Personally have no problem with anyone who prefers PKB (I don't) but would be absolutely furious if someone restricted my phone choices based on a (for me) completely made up reason.
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    04-16-21 03:16 PM
  18. the_boon's Avatar
    I agree with conite here. It’s not clear who is the grammatical “we”? PKB users? Or phone consumers in general? If the latter, this is certainly not true. And if someone prefers PKB, why should the choice or supply of non PKB devices to be restricted?
    Personally have no problem with anyone who prefers PKB (I don't) but would be absolutely furious if someone restricted my phone choices based on a (for me) completely made up reason.
    They are restricting your phone choice to slabs...and mostly giant ones.
    04-16-21 03:55 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    They are restricting your phone choice to slabs...and mostly giant ones.
    The same way that General Motors is limiting you to buying vehicles with a steering wheel on one side instead of the middle.
    Last edited by conite; 04-16-21 at 04:55 PM.
    04-16-21 04:37 PM
  20. the_boon's Avatar
    The same way that General Motors is limiting you to buying vehicles with a seating wheel on one side instead of the middle.
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    04-16-21 04:44 PM
  21. pdr733's Avatar
    They are restricting your phone choice to slabs...and mostly giant ones.
    I am ok with "slabs". As regards to giant ones, phones like the iPhone 12, S21, Pixel 5 exist, which in my book are not giant. I would indeed be pissed if the smallest phone size was the iPhone pro max or S21 Ultra.
    Moreover there is no artificial restriction of either size or touchscreen/pkb.
    PKB and in many cases also smaller screen phones simply not sell.
    04-16-21 05:26 PM
  22. anon(5597702)'s Avatar
    I am ok with "slabs". As regards to giant ones, phones like the iPhone 12, S21, Pixel 5 exist, which in my book are not giant. I would indeed be pissed if the smallest phone size was the iPhone pro max or S21 Ultra.
    Moreover there is no artificial restriction of either size or touchscreen/pkb.
    PKB and in many cases also smaller screen phones simply not sell.
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    Last edited by mh1983; 04-16-21 at 07:49 PM.
    04-16-21 07:26 PM
  23. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    They are restricting your phone choice to slabs...and mostly giant ones.
    Who's restricting anything? When consumers overwhelmingly chose for whatever reason, the initial Android/iOS VKB offerings when PKB choices existed, the OEMs got the message.
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    04-16-21 09:38 PM
  24. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Who's restricting anything? When consumers overwhelmingly chose for whatever reason, the initial Android/iOS VKB offerings when PKB choices existed, the OEMs got the message.
    Still remember how "many" complained when the DROID lost it's slide out keyboard... but in the end it didn't lead to a mass exit of user to devices with PKBs.
    04-19-21 07:46 AM

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