1. Freeriderz's Avatar
    Hello everybody,

    I started the same topic a few days ago in the offtopic-lounge, but haven't received an answer over there. But since I would really like to get some information about this topic, I decided to post the same question in this forum again. Hopefully it won't get lost

    So here is the question:

    I will go on a roadtrip through Cali, Nevada, Arizona, Utah and Alabama this summer. Now I was wondering what the state of android pay is in those states? I'm from Germany and android pay is not available here. I have read several posts about the integration of PayPal as a paying method in android pay, but I haven't found any further information. Is this already possible? Being able to pay with PayPal in local stores would save me a lot of fees compared to using my german credit card all the time. So I have three questions basically:

    1. Are there many stores using android pay? I'm especially interested in gasstations, grocery stores and hotels/motels/RV parks.

    2. Is PayPal already an alternative paying method in android pay?

    3. If PayPal is not supported in android pay, is there any other app which I can use to pay with my PayPal account and NFC?

    Thank you!
    Cheers
    Jan
    06-08-17 04:16 PM
  2. Bla1ze's Avatar
    1. Are there many stores using android pay? I'm especially interested in gasstations, grocery stores and hotels/motels/RV parks.
    https://www.android.com/pay/where-to-use/


    2. Is PayPal already an alternative paying method in android pay?
    https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/a...id-pay-faq3455

    https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/a...id-pay-faq3453
    app_Developer likes this.
    06-08-17 04:50 PM
  3. anon(9742832)'s Avatar
    Hello everybody,

    I started the same topic a few days ago in the offtopic-lounge, but haven't received an answer over there. But since I would really like to get some information about this topic, I decided to post the same question in this forum again. Hopefully it won't get lost

    So here is the question:



    I will go on a roadtrip through Cali, Nevada, Arizona, Utah and Alabama this summer. Now I was wondering what the state of android pay is in those states? I'm from Germany and android pay is not available here. I have read several posts about the integration of PayPal as a paying method in android pay, but I haven't found any further information. Is this already possible? Being able to pay with PayPal in local stores would save me a lot of fees compared to using my german credit card all the time. So I have three questions basically:

    1. Are there many stores using android pay? I'm especially interested in gasstations, grocery stores and hotels/motels/RV parks.

    2. Is PayPal already an alternative paying method in android pay?

    3. If PayPal is not supported in android pay, is there any other app which I can use to pay with my PayPal account and NFC?

    Thank you!
    Cheers
    Jan

    Well I have good and bad news. First in the bigger cities you should find stores that will take Apple/Android/PP. other than that it is not very wide spread. So it will be hit and miss, if your looking to try it than Mc Donald's are set up for it. I hope it helps.

    Sollten Sie weitere Informationen über die USA benötigen, fragen Sie bitte. Ich bin in FL aber habe in NYC, Atlanta und nicht Florida gelebt.
    06-08-17 05:06 PM
  4. FF22's Avatar
    And while NOT an answer to your Android Pay question, I've been using Samsung Pay with my Samsung Gear S3 watch. It works similarly and I've been finding more stores using it. The one feature of Samsung Gear S3 watch, you can tap it against the Magnetic Card Reader (where you swipe the card in the slot) and it works.

    But something else you might want to consider is how backward we in the US are. Generally in US restaurants your credit card still disappears into the wait=person's possession, to be swiped behind the scenes. We generally do NOT have small credit card readers brought to the table at restaurants which seems to be the process in Europe and even in neighboring Canada.

    But enjoy your visit. I don't know much about Alabama but the other states have incredible natural wonders. But you might also have cell phone limitations in the remote areas of Arizona, Utah and Nevada (where generally Verizon is better! - in my opinion).
    06-08-17 05:14 PM
  5. Freeriderz's Avatar
    Thank you! Those links are not listed on the german website of PayPal, so sorry for asking these questions!

    After reading through these links there are two additional questions now:

    1. "You can add PayPal to Android Pay through the Android Pay app or through the PayPal app. At this time Android Pay is only available to US customers."
    So it won't work with PayPal accounts which are not located in the US? Or does it mean, that using PayPal in android pay does only work in the US, no matter where your PayPal account is from?


    2. "Don’t have any or enough money in your balance? No problem. We’ll automatically use your connected bank or debit card to add money to your PayPal balance to pay for the purchase."
    Do I have to transfer money to PayPal at first? In Germany you can give PayPal the permission to have direct access to your bank account. So if you use PayPal to buy anything, it will get the money from your bank account. You do not need any balance on the PayPal account itself.

    Thank you guys!
    06-08-17 05:24 PM
  6. Freeriderz's Avatar
    But something else you might want to consider is how backward we in the US are...

    But enjoy your visit. I don't know much about Alabama but the other states have incredible natural wonders. But you might also have cell phone limitations in the remote areas of Arizona, Utah and Nevada (where generally Verizon is better! - in my opinion).
    Well, I do not mind how "backward" you are since I can use android pay/PayPal.
    Because that will reduce all those fees the german banks are charging for using their credit cards in other countries. Because s far as I can see, android pay (and PayPal) is completely free as a customer isn't it?
    I will stay for 10 weeks in the US, so I might get a short term mobile phone contract at Verizon. Are they limited to the several states? Or can I use one Verizon contract all over the US?

    Cheers
    Jan

    @thatguyusa
    Every possibility to use android pay and PayPal over the credit card is a win for me as a tourist!
    Just an example, every time I want to get cash out of a cash machine, the german bank will charge me around 6$.
    Every time I use the credit card at a shop, the bank will charge me around 1% of the total purchase.
    So this can end up in several 100$ within those 10 weeks!
    06-08-17 05:29 PM
  7. FF22's Avatar
    Well, I do not mind how "backward" you are since I can use android pay/PayPal.
    Because that will reduce all those fees the german banks are charging for using their credit cards in other countries. Because s far as I can see, android pay (and PayPal) is completely free as a customer isn't it?
    I will stay for 10 weeks in the US, so I might get a short term mobile phone contract at Verizon. Are they limited to the several states? Or can I use one Verizon contract all over the US?

    Cheers
    Jan

    @thatguyusa
    Every possibility to use android pay and PayPal over the credit card is a win for me as a tourist!
    Just an example, every time I want to get cash out of a cash machine, the german bank will charge me around 6$.
    Every time I use the credit card at a shop, the bank will charge me around 1% of the total purchase.
    So this can end up in several 100$ within those 10 weeks!
    I don't know what Verizon offers in the way of shorter term contracts if they even do. They are probably the most expensive US carrier. They are all over the US. But they are also CDMA and not the "standard" Europe gsm protocol. So you'd probably need a phone, too. I should probably not critically judge the other US carriers. I know that I had trouble with Tmobile in areas of Arizona but not all areas. My primary carrier is Verizon (Priv). But I also have a ShopBB gsm Priv that I had a Tmobile sim in and it did not work well in Sedona Arizona but was okay in the middle of town.
    06-08-17 05:47 PM
  8. anon(9742832)'s Avatar
    Well, I do not mind how "backward" you are since I can use android pay/PayPal.
    Because that will reduce all those fees the german banks are charging for using their credit cards in other countries. Because s far as I can see, android pay (and PayPal) is completely free as a customer isn't it?
    I will stay for 10 weeks in the US, so I might get a short term mobile phone contract at Verizon. Are they limited to the several states? Or can I use one Verizon contract all over the US?

    Cheers
    Jan

    @thatguyusa
    Every possibility to use android pay and PayPal over the credit card is a win for me as a tourist!
    Just an example, every time I want to get cash out of a cash machine, the german bank will charge me around 6$.
    Every time I use the credit card at a shop, the bank will charge me around 1% of the total purchase.
    So this can end up in several 100$ within those 10 weeks!
    You can get pay as you go plans from all the big players.
    06-08-17 05:48 PM
  9. Freeriderz's Avatar
    " pay as you go plan" sounds good! I might just go into a shop within my first few days in the US and ask for their short term contracts.
    Is it really that big of a deal to use a german/EU device in the US? Or is it just a problem with Verizon?


    And I am still highly interested in my two question from post #5
    Any help is appreciated!
    06-09-17 04:00 PM
  10. Wezard's Avatar
    Or is it just a problem with Verizon?
    Only with Verizon, they still use CDMA technology, they are in the process of switching to 4G LTE GSM, but aren't there yet.
    You can order either AT&T or T Mobile prepaid SIMS on line and have them ready to go when you get here.
    Check what your German carrier would charge for a short term international plan. If you have a US SIM in the phone, all calls and texts to your German # will go unanswered. You may be able to forward them, but those will be billed at international long distance rates.
    If you don't care about your German # going unanswered, get an AT&T, 'GoPhone' SIM, thats the branding on their prepaid. And be aware, data is very expensive in the US compared to Europe.

    Check with your bank, they prob partner with one of the US banks, and you can use debit card at ATM without fees at the partner bank. Whenever I travel, I do this, and have never been hit with a 'foreign ATM' fee.
    If you have time, I'd look into a new credit card that does not have foreign transaction fees.

    BTW - Cash is still widely used and universally accepted here. You'll find our cash rather boring compared to yours, but if you can get it out of ATMs with no fees, it works well. In a lot of the rural and remote US, where it appears you will spending a fair amount of time, your payment choices are going to be mag stripe on card, chip on card, (and even chip on card is far from universal yet) or cash. A lot places will look at you like you are crazy if you want to pay with your phone.
    06-21-17 06:13 AM
  11. Wezard's Avatar
    Also note that at one time Paypal was using inflated exchange rates, so you were in reality paying close to 3% even though the statement might only show 1%.
    Paypals policies vary a lot from country to country, so need to look at what your account specifies, not what somebody here tells you.
    06-21-17 06:25 AM
  12. Freeriderz's Avatar
    Sorry for answering so late, it’s been a busy week!



    Only with Verizon, they still use CDMA technology, they are in the process of switching to 4G LTE GSM, but aren't there yet.

    If you don't care about your German # going unanswered, get an AT&T, 'GoPhone' SIM, thats the branding on their prepaid. And be aware, data is very expensive in the US compared to Europe.

    Check with your bank, they prob partner with one of the US banks, and you can use debit card at ATM without fees at the partner bank. Whenever I travel, I do this, and have never been hit with a 'foreign ATM' fee.
    If you have time, I'd look into a new credit card that does not have foreign transaction fees.

    BTW - Cash is still widely used and universally accepted here.

    A lot places will look at you like you are crazy if you want to pay with your phone.
    All right, I will keep in mind, that I need to get a SIM which uses the GSM standard to avoid any problems. GSM is fully compatible with foreign smartphones I guess?

    I will talk to my bank account manager soon, to sort out all the fees which they charge me for paying in the US or getting money out of an ATM. But I would love to use android pay during my time in the US, because it is just not available in Germany yet. And of course I do not plan on paying in a small restaurant with my phone, but I guess the bigger fuel stations and grocery stores are all equipped with mobile payment terminals. At least many of them are listed on the android pay website.

    Also note that at one time Paypal was using inflated exchange rates, so you were in reality paying close to 3% even though the statement might only show 1%.
    Paypals policies vary a lot from country to country, so need to look at what your account specifies, not what somebody here tells you.
    I just received an email from PayPal Germany and it is indeed not possible, to use a german PayPal account in android pay in the US. I would have to create a whole new US account, which is a bit of a disappointment to be honest.
    06-26-17 02:28 PM
  13. Wezard's Avatar
    bigger fuel stations and grocery stores are all equipped with mobile payment terminals.
    If you mean like Shell Oil, or Exon, the company owned stores would prob take Android Pay, but most of the actual fuel stations are privately owned franchises, and may not.
    06-26-17 04:36 PM
  14. Freeriderz's Avatar
    If you mean like Shell Oil, or Exon, the company owned stores would prob take Android Pay, but most of the actual fuel stations are privately owned franchises, and may not.
    According to this website:
    https://www.android.com/pay/where-to-use/
    At least the fuel stations of Texaco, Chevron Arco should support it. Or do you think this also differs from "company owned stores" to "privately owned franchises"?
    06-27-17 03:01 AM
  15. Wezard's Avatar
    Or do you think this also differs from "company owned stores" to "privately owned franchises"?
    Not sure why, but petroleum retailers vary widely by franchisees, night and day between some same brand stores. And I do mean stores, I've never been to Germany, but in France I noticed that that of petrol stations were just that. Here, they are almost all stores, with pumps out front.
    You might see a small dirty Texaco, little lighting, half the pumps with broken card readers, selling beer, wine, some soft drinks, old porn mags behind the counter with a few candy bars and chips available. While one exit down there is another Texaco, huge, well lit, modern pumps and a mini megamart, including fresh made food. With both of them being franchises.
    Petroleum franchises are nothing like, for example, a McDonalds franchise.
    The further off the Interstate system, and the more rural you get, the less likely it it's going to be to find payment other than cash and old fashioned plastic accepted. You're going to be surprised how many places don't even have working chip readers.
    06-27-17 06:04 AM
  16. Freeriderz's Avatar
    You might see a small dirty Texaco, little lighting, half the pumps with broken card readers, selling beer, wine, some soft drinks, old porn mags behind the counter with a few candy bars and chips available.
    That sounds adevnturous!

    I think I will use cash and credit card as my main payment-options. Nevertheless I am very excited on giving android pay a try. But according to all your information, android pay is just not a big thing yet, at least in rural areas. But I will give it a try with cash and credit card as a backup
    06-27-17 10:03 AM
  17. Wezard's Avatar
    But enjoy your visit. I don't know much about Alabama but the other states have incredible natural wonders.
    Contrary to popular opinion, Alabama is pretty cool - IF - you stay north in the mountains or south by the gulf, the middle section is pretty boring.
    Though if you like motorcycles, the Barber Motor-sports Museum in Birmingham is pretty awesome. Depending on timing you might get to some racing,
    Barber Motorsports Museum: Home
    #Freeriderz , if you make it a bit further east, to Atlanta, let me know. That's where I call home.
    06-27-17 06:50 PM
  18. misterabrasive's Avatar
    Sorry for answering so late, it’s been a busy week!





    All right, I will keep in mind, that I need to get a SIM which uses the GSM standard to avoid any problems. GSM is fully compatible with foreign smartphones I guess?

    I will talk to my bank account manager soon, to sort out all the fees which they charge me for paying in the US or getting money out of an ATM. But I would love to use android pay during my time in the US, because it is just not available in Germany yet. And of course I do not plan on paying in a small restaurant with my phone, but I guess the bigger fuel stations and grocery stores are all equipped with mobile payment terminals. At least many of them are listed on the android pay website.



    I just received an email from PayPal Germany and it is indeed not possible, to use a german PayPal account in android pay in the US. I would have to create a whole new US account, which is a bit of a disappointment to be honest.
    Perhaps you should check with your bank. According to the Android Pay app help section, there are about a dozen countries that have banks that support Android Pay. Unfortunately, Germany does not appear to be one of them. I would ask your bank anyway.
    06-27-17 09:18 PM
  19. Freeriderz's Avatar
    Contrary to popular opinion, Alabama is pretty cool...
    Unfortunately I will only stay at the auburn university for some weeks. Hopefully I will get around Alabama though!


    ...I would ask your bank anyway.
    Yes, I will definitely talk to my bank. But most of the bank employees are not really into mobile payment. They just sell you credits to buy a house or want you to contract insurance
    07-03-17 02:22 AM

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