1. A Noise Annoys's Avatar
    Opened up Signal the other day and got a warning the current version of the app expires in two days. Went to update and it's now no longer available for BB10 devices.

    Any suggestions for a secure alternative? And no, Telegraph is not an option.

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    Last edited by A Noise Annoys; 03-18-18 at 09:38 AM.
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    03-18-18 09:20 AM
  2. TheBirdDog's Avatar
    This is the reality of BB10 and what we're up against. Whatsapp still works (Android version), as well as BBM, of course. I'm not sure about how 'secure' either one is anymore but I also don't really understand how 'secure' people need their messenger services to be either.
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    03-18-18 09:44 AM
  3. spiculated's Avatar
    Try the APK directly from Signal:

    https://signal.org/android/apk/

    Works for me.

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    03-18-18 10:22 AM
  4. conite's Avatar
    Opened up Signal the other day and got a warning the current version of the app expires in two days. Went to update and it's now no longer available for BB10 devices.

    Any suggestions for a secure alternative? And no, Telegraph is not an option.

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    https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/open-w...ate-messenger/
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    03-18-18 12:02 PM
  5. A Noise Annoys's Avatar
    This is the reality of BB10 and what we're up against. Whatsapp still works (Android version), as well as BBM, of course. I'm not sure about how 'secure' either one is anymore but I also don't really understand how 'secure' people need their messenger services to be either.
    I'm in publishing and so a lot of discussions I have through a messenger service are proprietary and I need things to be as secure as possible. I tried to set up a BES12 account and run BBM Enterprise through there but ran into problems with the CSRs at BB's end. Signal is as secure and private as BBM Enterprise without the expense so I guess I lucked out
    03-19-18 08:33 AM
  6. A Noise Annoys's Avatar
    Thanks all for the advise. Dragged, dropped and installed the APK from Signal's website, the expiry message has gone and messages seem to be going through, but as most of my clients are West Coast-ers, it'll be a few hours before I know for sure if it's working.

    Would have replied sooner but this thread isn't showing in any of my the short cuts here or on CB10, had to hunt it down again.

    *Edit*

    Yep, works great
    Last edited by A Noise Annoys; 03-19-18 at 11:47 AM.
    03-19-18 08:36 AM
  7. oystersourced's Avatar
    Threema is a secure alternative, I got it from the Amazon Appstore and it works fine (with some documented limitations; see their website). The app is well supported.

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    03-20-18 07:42 AM
  8. The_Passporter's Avatar
    Just went through Yalp app and got the latest version and works great on my Passport.

    Funny how when an app like this deprecates or terminates an old version, people go straight to "oh it's the OS". Seem to me it's an old version the developer no longer wishes to support. Most probably the version in question will not likely function any longer even on the most current versions android.

    Hammered out on my Precious Passport
    03-20-18 08:28 AM
  9. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Just went through Yalp app and got the latest version and works great on my Passport.

    Funny how when an app like this deprecates or terminates an old version, people go straight to "oh it's the OS". Seem to me it's an old version the developer no longer wishes to support. Most probably the version in question will not likely function any longer even on the most current versions android.

    Hammered out on my Precious Passport
    I thought OP was commenting that BB10 version was no longer supported.
    03-20-18 04:33 PM
  10. markmall's Avatar
    I installed the signal apk from its website. I can't turn off certain permissions I would like to turn off because they are greyed out.

    Anyone able to customize their permissions with this? Maybe I shouldn't worry but I don't like excessive permissions.

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    03-23-18 12:18 AM
  11. conite's Avatar
    I installed the signal apk from its website. I can't turn off certain permissions I would like to turn off because they are greyed out.

    Anyone able to customize their permissions with this? Maybe I shouldn't worry but I don't like excessive permissions.

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    Do you go through App Ops?
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    03-23-18 12:33 AM
  12. scubafan's Avatar
    Conite, is "App Ops" a part of the signal app OP is trying to use or is it an app that I might be able to use to block some of the ridiculous deep-dive data mining that SO many android app writers love doing?

    Just my $.02, YMMV ! ;-) sent via my Q10
    06-13-18 04:54 AM
  13. CrackPriv's Avatar
    Threema is a secure alternative, I got it from the Amazon Appstore and it works fine (with some documented limitations; see their website). The app is well supported.

    Posted via CB10
    I agree. I use it over some years, it works fine and it is the most secure messenger in my eyes.

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    06-13-18 05:21 AM
  14. DJos3Mtz's Avatar
    So, You're telling me Telegram is not a secure option but You use "Signal" and get crazy when WhatsApp is no longer working on BB10? What do You have in mind?

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    07-02-18 04:29 AM
  15. scubafan's Avatar
    I installed the signal apk from its website. I can't turn off certain permissions I would like to turn off because they are greyed out.

    Anyone able to customize their permissions with this? Maybe I shouldn't worry but I don't like excessive permissions.

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    I have the same hatred of excessive permissions! I keep wishing that some bright member here will come up with a way to block the permissions in a way that the app is willing to run!

    One thing that I've always loved is how many Cascades based apps run just fine without giving them any access besides shared files. The BlackBerry maps app works perfectly without getting access to GPS! I often use it for advance trip planning or to see where one location is in relation to another. If I'm not at either location then giving it GPS access doesn't make a bit of difference. I prefer the 6" screen and easy use of my Garmin for directions. In 4+ years I might have used the BlackBerry Maps for directions once. Anyway I'm sticking to OS10 for as long as I possibly can! So I remain hopeful that some bright user comes up with the fix on permissions...

    Just my $.02, YMMV ! ;-) sent via my Q10
    07-02-18 04:25 PM
  16. A Noise Annoys's Avatar
    So, You're telling me Telegram is not a secure option but You use "Signal" and get crazy when WhatsApp is no longer working on BB10? What do You have in mind?

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    It's well documented that Telegram isn't as secure as the developers originally claimed and still isn't. WhatsApp may well have e2e encryption but it's your contacts list you've got to worry about, and the access that WhatsApp/Facebook actually has to your messages. The only reason why WA is a big deal is because of its shear number of users, thus the 'panic' when things don't work out as they should.

    If you're looking for a messaging solution outside of Enterprise grade that's as secure and private as you can reasonably expect, Signal really is one of the rare apps out there that actually does the job.
    07-02-18 04:59 PM
  17. scubafan's Avatar
    Just wanted to clarify, I'm speaking in general about blocking permissions. Not about the signal app. I've never heard of it anyway & unless I can convince the wife & kids to use a different method than the SMS built in their phones it isn't worth my effort to get a more private way to message them. I simply refuse to use SMS for anything more private than shopping lists or menu for dinner.

    They get annoyed by it when I tell them that google or their bots can read every text or email & thus aren't close to private! ;-)

    Just my $.02, YMMV ! ;-) sent via my Q10
    07-03-18 08:29 PM
  18. scubafan's Avatar
    So other than the extremely expensive Blackphones or the also rather pricey Copperhead devices, has anyone heard of ANY work being done to create a device or OS that gives even SOME of the privacy protections that I've been so happy to have since my 1st BlackBerry 7 device? Especially would like to be able to keep my calendar, contacts, emails & text messages from being analyzed for marketing purposes by both google and other sources that create apps that harvest the data.

    Before anyone asks, I don't use free email. I actually pay dollars for HIPPA quality email that even offers dual encryption if I needed such a thing (I don't). ;-)

    I've been very pleased with how my Q10 allows me to lock down every aspect of my device, with the better written apps able to work just fine when I refuse to allow anything besides shared files to store data.

    I know that for as long as people either don't value their privacy or fail to comprehend that if the product is "free" it means that THEY are the product being sold we won't see any true privacy (even if we DO prefer to pay cash for it). But I keep hoping to see some attempts to limit the data mining to location and other non-personally intrusive items.

    Thoughts?

    Just my $.02, YMMV ! ;-) sent via my Q10
    07-18-18 06:52 AM
  19. scubafan's Avatar
    I'm guessing that the total silence since mid July means that there likely won't be anything available for people who actually care about privacy? I keep hoping that with all of the news stories just in the last few weeks regarding google tracking location of users even though they thought that turning it off meant that they made it clear that they didn't want to be tracked, along with the different articles about facebook saving their phone calls to data mine that the pendulum will swing at least a bit closer to some kind of secure & more private option.

    Guess not.

    Just my $.02, YMMV ! ;-) sent via my Q10
    08-21-18 01:52 PM

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