UMA min question...

[Artemis68]

If I went outside the US (like Canada or wherever) with my unlimited Loyalty plan on my 8900...
Could I make unlimited free UMA calls without the hotspot plan, or would I be charged by the min?

I know that in the US I get unlimited UMA min as I have unlimited min per month, but does this apply to outside the United States?

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[CueyN]

Originally Posted by Artemis68

If I went outside the US (like Canada or wherever) with my unlimited Loyalty plan on my 8900...
Could I make unlimited free UMA calls without the hotspot plan, or would I be charged by the min?

I know that in the US I get unlimited UMA min as I have unlimited min per month, but does this apply to outside the United States?

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Yes -- as long as you're on UMA (you can turn off the mobile network to be certain, if you'd like) from international, your phone will work and be billed just as if you were in the USA.

[Artemis68]

okay cause a tmo rep that I know (she's smart) said that unless I had the tmo hotspot, the min would come out of my monthly min BUT if I was in international place, then the min wouldn't come out of my bucket and I'd get charged by the min by int'l rates! :O

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[CueyN]

Originally Posted by Artemis68

okay cause a tmo rep that I know (she's smart) said that unless I had the tmo hotspot, the min would come out of my monthly min BUT if I was in international place, then the min wouldn't come out of my bucket and I'd get charged by the min by int'l rates! :O

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Sorry that you were misinformed by the tmobile rep. It seems that tmobile reps really lack when it comes to knowing about how uma works. I've done precisely what you describe above, and I do not get billed for anything that I wouldn't get billed for had I been in the USA.

[Artemis68]

Awesome! Thank you!
Looks like my unlim loyalty will still be useful when using UMA overseas!

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[trees247]

u have unlim plan so you should be good on the network or UMA right?

[Artemis68]

Originally Posted by trees247

u have unlim plan so you should be good on the network or UMA right?

Yeah I don't need the extra 9.99 UMA deal. The min will conme out of my "bucket" min which are unlim.

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[Mr_Schpiffey]

The UMA service works over the internet. Since you are not using the international carrier's towers, you will not be charged roaming. However, if you were to be using the phone and did not have your mobile network turned off, and you handed over from the UMA to a tower, you could incur roaming charges.

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[Thyth]

Normally, if a call starts on UMA, it is billed as UMA, even if you roam onto a tower (and vice versa, if you start on a tower than roam onto UMA, it will still be billed as a non-UMA call).

Not sure how that works with international roaming, because UMA handoff to cellular towers requires special tower configuration by the provider. If you try roaming onto a tower not configured as such, I think the call is just dropped.

In any case, if you want to be absolutely safe, keep the cellular radio off.

[CueyN]

Originally Posted by Mr_Schpiffey

The UMA service works over the internet. Since you are not using the international carrier's towers, you will not be charged roaming. However, if you were to be using the phone and did not have your mobile network turned off, and you handed over from the UMA to a tower, you could incur roaming charges.

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Originally Posted by Thyth

Normally, if a call starts on UMA, it is billed as UMA, even if you roam onto a tower (and vice versa, if you start on a tower than roam onto UMA, it will still be billed as a non-UMA call).

Not sure how that works with international roaming, because UMA handoff to cellular towers requires special tower configuration by the provider. If you try roaming onto a tower not configured as such, I think the call is just dropped.

In any case, if you want to be absolutely safe, keep the cellular radio off.

The above is correct; If you're outside of TMobile's coverage (towers), and you're on a call via UMA, the call never transfers to the cell network. If you stray outside wifi/uma coverage, the call drops. It doesn't matter if the mobile network is turned on or not.