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Old 07-13-2010, 10:02 AM
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hey guys. i currently got an unlocked bold 9700, and i want to add the data plan to it. does anyone know whether i can use the $10 data plan from tmobile to the unlocked 9700? could they find it and force me to upgrade to 25 blackberry data plan? thank a lot.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:24 AM
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You need the blackberry data plan (BIS) or it is pretty pointless to have data on your berry. You won't have the push email and all the blackberry features.

I'm not really even sure if the $10 plan would work.....and if it did how much functionality you would get out of it.
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If you are bringing your own Berry to T-Mobile you can use whatever plan you want.

With the $10 plan though you WON'T get: BBM, push email, and many apps won't work.

With the $10 plan, some apps will work and you'll get web browsing through a 3rd party browser.

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thanks a lot. i still need to think about the 25 data plan for blackberry.
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What if i have a blackberry that i bought with t-mobile, but my 2-year contract has ended already, can I add and/or take away a data plan as i please?
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Old 07-14-2010, 12:14 AM
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What if i have a blackberry that i bought with t-mobile, but my 2-year contract has ended already, can I add and/or take away a data plan as i please?
Yes, you can. A Blackberry isn't a Blackberry without data. IMO

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Old 07-14-2010, 12:18 PM
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Posted this info ages back, but might help the OP make a choice...

My experience using a BlackBerry 9700 on an old 'T-Zones' web connection (no BIS data plan):

1. IM: None of the pre-installed instant messaging apps work. They are tied to BIS servers, so a "standard" TCP/IP / APN data plan makes them just pull up a "you must upgrade your account" error. I got around this by using Beejive (and still do, now that I have BIS). Most people who use IM like this option better anyhow, instead of running all those different apps.

2. Browsing: Opera and Bolt worked fine. The native browser worked when I connected to Wifi, as long as I switched the setting to "Hotspot Browser." That probably doesn't mean it was using RIM's servers, so it likely wasn't optimized... but it did function. I ended up using Opera for most things anyhow.

3. Email: For email, I just installed the Gmail app. Maybe I didn't have push, but it auto-checked and notified me whenever I got email (usually very quickly) so I didn't care. Hotmail etc can always be accessed through a browser.

4. GPS: BlackBerry maps doesn't work, same error. The icon wasn't even showing at first, so I installed a shortcut and got it to run... it ran, but without being able to pull data, it was useless. So I installed Google Maps, which worked great.

5. Weather: For weather apps, several worked, but I decided on (and still use) the free version of BerryWeather. It has a Direct TCP/IP setting (which they finally fixed) so no BIS connection is required. It updates itself hourly.

6. Apps: BlackBerry App World also wasn't showing up at first. I reinstalled it using an OTA link (now posted in my sig), and it then worked fine! Worked 100%, on browsing / downloading / installing all apps.

7. VVM: For Visual Voice Mail, I used the free YouMail, and it worked great. Again, some people actually prefer this to the original VVM. I've never really cared much either way, TBH, but it worked fine.

8. Misc: Other apps such as T-Mobile's My Account app, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Poynt, Speedtest etc all worked as expected. I guess most third party apps don't rely on the BIS servers, just TCP/IP.

Overall verdict:

Positives- I could text, chat online, do email, browse the web, use GPS navigation, and listen to live music while on the go. For me, who'd dealt with a "dumb" phone for years, this was amazing enough. And it's not like the camera, sweet screen resolution, or any other hardware aspect was disabled. You also get to laugh at everyone here when there's a RIM outage, and nothing has changed for you

Negatives- No BlackBerry Messenger. No Facebook app. No push anything. Everyone here pokes you with sticks and treats you like you belong on the short bus for daring to have a BlackBerry without a $25 BIS plan They'll all say "What's the point in even having one then??" In some cases, depending on what you need out of your device, that's sort of true.

Bottom line is it's up to you. My 9700 was by no means worthless or useless with a T-Zone direct TCP/IP connection. There were concessions, but at the time they weren't anything that bothered me. It may be enough for you, if you're on a very tight budget and / or this selection suits your needs. I finally got BIS when we were offered the $20 data plan price for each of our two lines; the combined savings let us pay just as much, but got me proper BIS. Since the switch, I admit it has been nice to try out BBM, use the native VVM, etc.

Let me know if I didn't cover anything or you have any questions. I realize that there's precious little documentation or real experience on the subject, and most well-meaning people here when asked (having no experience with it) will say things like "Nothing will work, it'll be useless."
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Thanks a lot for that, CharredPC. I totally agree. I hope it will help the OP.

I use a $35 (data and messages included) plan for my BB but I think a $10 plan is almost as good. If it works for you, why not? I really need my push email but if you don't need push email or BBM, then you can get the cheaper plan, save some money, and still have your needs met. So why not?
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Thanks a lot for that, CharredPC. I totally agree. I hope it will help the OP.

I use a $35 (data and messages included) plan for my BB but I think a $10 plan is almost as good. If it works for you, why not? I really need my push email but if you don't need push email or BBM, then you can get the cheaper plan, save some money, and still have your needs met. So why not?
I currently do not have any data plan on my blackberry. As stated in my previous post, I am out of my 2-yr contract at this point. What are my options for a data plan? It seems from your post and Charred's, that I may opt for a cheaper data plan (not BIS) that suits my needs better. Will the representative deny me of the cheaper (non-BIS data plan)?
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You can either call in to add the plan or add it from the website. (Change your phone model to a dumbphone first).

Some reps may give you some flack but that's to be expected. Technically, you're out of contract and can do what you want so they need to give you the plan you want. Remind them of that once they start giving you trouble.

T-Mobile isn't like ATT. If it's your own Berry, you paid full retail for it, or you're out of contract, you can do whatever you'd like data-wise.

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Hi - I want to follow up on this discussion.

I don't have T-Zones but have the $10 Web2go plan with a Blackberry Bold on T-Mobile.

I have Opera and Bolt installed, how can I use the WAP to browse the net?

I have tried the following TCI/IP APNs:

epc.tmobile.com
wap.voicestream.com
internet2.voicestream.com

None work.

I had a basic phone that I used to add the unlimited phone first web plan, then put on the Blackberry Bold.

Thanks!
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Hi - I want to follow up on this discussion.

I don't have T-Zones but have the $10 Web2go plan with a Blackberry Bold on T-Mobile.

I have Opera and Bolt installed, how can I use the WAP to browse the net?

I have tried the following TCI/IP APNs:

epc.tmobile.com
wap.voicestream.com
internet2.voicestream.com

None work.

I had a basic phone that I used to add the unlimited phone first web plan, then put on the Blackberry Bold.

Thanks!
Make sure "APN Settings Enabled" is checked, and APN: epc.tmobile.com

APN Authentication Enabled should be unchecked, with nothing in its' fields.

Verify that you have T-Mobile USA WAP2 Browser Config and T-Mobile USA WAP 2.0 Transport listed in your service books. I'm assuming this is needed for ip gateway configuration, etc.; I had (and still have) these when using generic data on my 9700.

If we're talking about a 9700, does everything work properly when you're connected to wifi?
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Yup - I have tried all three APNS with the same result.

I have WAP2.0 Transport listed in the Service Books, I did do a Service Books type hack from another forum using CrackUtil

Now - I don't know what the settings should be for what is listed in those Sevice Book Entries.

The gateway on the WAP2 is listed as like 0.0.0.0/epc.tmoblie.com

something like that

when wifi is connected, it works great, but thats using wifi hotspot.

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Make sure "APN Settings Enabled" is checked, and APN: epc.tmobile.com

APN Authentication Enabled should be unchecked, with nothing in its' fields.

Verify that you have T-Mobile USA WAP2 Browser Config and T-Mobile USA WAP 2.0 Transport listed in your service books. I'm assuming this is needed for ip gateway configuration, etc.; I had (and still have) these when using generic data on my 9700.

If we're talking about a 9700, does everything work properly when you're connected to wifi?

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Yup - I have tried all three APNS with the same result.

I have WAP2.0 Transport listed in the Service Books, I did do a Service Books type hack from another forum using CrackUtil

Now - I don't know what the settings should be for what is listed in those Sevice Book Entries.

The gateway on the WAP2 is listed as like 0.0.0.0/epc.tmoblie.com

something like that

when wifi is connected, it works great, but thats using wifi hotspot.
I'm trying to think if I did anything special, but I don't think so. I had working T-Zone web on my last phone (Motorola flip-phone), and they just popped the SIM card into a new 9700, made sure it turned on, and handed it to me. Maybe someone else who has had to troubleshoot this can chime in... for me, it was effortless.

Did you try re-sending service books? Some people swear by that
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Maybe that is the Issue, I don't have T-Zones, I have the $10 web2go plan.

These are steps that someone posted that i followed for the Service Books.

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on your computer, download and install this program called crackutil

after that, connect your blackberry to computer.

you're going to want to use

1. "FILE MANIPULATION - INTERMEDIATE"
2. remove "net_rim_bb_browser_daemon.cod" from phone, and make a copy of net_rim_bb_browser_daemon.cod

reboot phone

3. Connect blackberry back to computer, but now use blackberry desktop manager to load up service books

4. Select Backup and Restore, you will see main options, as follows:
5. Select Advanced, In Advanced option, you can choose Database to Backup or Restore. Select Service Book

Browser_via_TCP_all_network_wifi.zip

6. Open backup file (.ipd) containing SB to load into BlackBerry
7. Then select Service Book at the left column

8. After restoration of Service Book, you need to make sure Service Book is on your phone. You can check it in Options > Advanced Options > Service book.

Restart your phone

9. Load up Crackutil on your computer, connect blackberry
10. "FILE MANIPULATION - INTERMEDIATE"
11. Load file to device "net_rim_bb_browser_daemon.cod"

Restart your phone
But still i get no connection
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