Serious rant

[mijinkiyo]

First let me say that I am not bashing the Storm or RIM. I really like my Storm and do not have any plans to get rid of it. The thing I want to rant about is the OS releases that we are getting from RIM. I know that the ones released by other carries are not yet tested by VZW but they are by RIM and thus you would expect them to work properly.

The fact is, from what I have seen, there exist a number of bugs in each OS release from RIM (and from the ones approved by Verizon). When I first got my phone it had version .67 and I was told the phone may randomly reboot. It did do just that. I upgraded to whatever the next release was and that helped greatly. But since then it seems that every official update breaks something or has some *major* bug.

As a customer we should not have to deal with memory leaks or any other software related issue. While I do enjoy all of these OS releases we have seen I really think that quality has gone out the window. I would much rather RIM spend time on developing an OS made for the Storm and not for every other RIM device.. I mean, sure they want to streamline things but if you spread your resources thin and try to make an OS that's transparent across so many models your bound to run into issues along the way.

Now with that said I will continue to update my device with each release... not because I like inflicting pain on myself but because I long for a release that's actually bug-free. Maybe I am living a pipe dream there...

[jlsparks]

Is anything bug free? It's a good thing to strive for, but regrettably not possible in the real world. Glad you're sticking with your Storm though. I hope you'd agree that there are improvements each build. Also, please keep in mind that the OS you're running you shouldn't even know about, much less have installed on your phone Its existence is (theoretically) protected by the NDA entered into by RIM employees, contractors, carrier friendlies, etc. The fact that someone risked, potentially, their job, to leak what you're running, so you can run it, doesn't change the fact that it's beta software not intended for consumer/production use.

That doesn't excuse obvious bugs in *official* releases, but it provides some perspective regarding what we can easily come to believe to be our *entitlement* to leaked OSs. We have no such entitlement. But it is nice

[scalemaster34]

Originally Posted by mijinkiyo

First let me say that I am not bashing the Storm or RIM. The thing I want to rant about is the OS releases that we are getting from RIM. and thus you would expect them to work properly.

But since then it seems that every official update breaks something or has some *major* bug.

As a customer we should not have to deal with memory leaks or any other software related issue. While I do enjoy all of these OS releases we have seen I really think that quality has gone out the window. I would much rather RIM spend time on developing an OS made for the Storm and not for every other RIM device.. I mean, sure they want to streamline things but if you spread your resources thin and try to make an OS that's transparent across so many models your bound to run into issues along the way.

Now with that said I will continue to update my device with each release... not because I like inflicting pain on myself but because I long for a release that's actually bug-free. Maybe I am living a pipe dream there...

It is beginning to look like a "pipe dream".

I have come to believe that RIM was in too much of a hurry to compete with the iPhone and release an underpowered piece of hardware with an OS that was designed for their standard keyboard phones.

RIM's OS was designed to operate a Phone with an email application and Browser that all worked on very slow networks. But now a phone has too do so much more and the networks are much faster... RIM just does not seem to be able to keep-up - both on the OS and Hardware front (I expect the Storm2 to be a more than just a step above the Storm1 - it's specs a way behind what the others have).

[jdk2]

Originally Posted by jlsparks

Is anything bug free? It's a good thing to strive for, but regrettably not possible in the real world. Glad you're sticking with your Storm though. I hope you'd agree that there are improvements each build. Also, please keep in mind that the OS you're running you shouldn't even know about, much less have installed on your phone Its existence is (theoretically) protected by the NDA entered into by RIM employees, contractors, carrier friendlies, etc. The fact that someone risked, potentially, their job, to leak what you're running, so you can run it, doesn't change the fact that it's beta software not intended for consumer/production use.

That doesn't excuse obvious bugs in *official* releases, but it provides some perspective regarding what we can easily come to believe to be our *entitlement* to leaked OSs. We have no such entitlement. But it is nice

Though, in theory at least, I partially agree with you, the sad reality is that if someone associated with RIM risked loosing their job over this latest leak, then VZW ought to be shutdown for their signature of approval on any of the subsequent official release(s) to date.

[sixstorm]

I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't understand why the Storm OSs have so many damn MAJOR bugs. My curve has the latest Sprint OS (my carrier for the curve is Sprint) and I can't find anything wrong with it. I'd almost say that most Curve OSs are better than any OS on the Storm. Why can't the same be said for the Storm?

.328 was a major step up for all Storm users, but the whole memory issue (I don't think this will ever be fixed for any BB) and the screen dimming issue is just embarrassing. Why even release an official OS when half of it is unstable? Unacceptable in my book.

I'm sure that the average Joe wouldn't give a crap about the issues in .328, but heck, even my wife who uses her phone religiously notices things like I mentioned.

Whoever is working on these OS releases needs to hold off on just throwing them out into the wild and make something worth releasing.

[sixstorm]

Originally Posted by jdk2

Though, in theory at least, I partially agree with you, the sad reality is that if someone associated with RIM risked loosing their job over this latest leak, then VZW ought to be shutdown for their signature of approval on any of the subsequent official release(s) to date.

True that. It's absolutely embarrassing for a company like Verizon to release something like .328.

[scalemaster34]

Originally Posted by jlsparks

Is anything bug free? It's a good thing to strive for, but regrettably not possible in the real world.

I agree nothing is perfect... But do you really believe that ALL the problems we have faced with the Storm over the last year are acceptable "bugs". Reboots, Battery Pulls, sprained wrist from twisting my phone so much to get the screen to rotate, SLOW browser speeds, slow typing speeds, freeze ups, battery drains, bad signal reception, dimming screens, intergration of 3rd pary applications & themes (RIM fault that 3rd party applications are so hard to create and must be updated with many minor OS changes)...

Check any review site... the STORM is rated very low, because it just does not work like it should.

Originally Posted by jlsparks

That doesn't excuse obvious bugs in *official* releases, but it provides some perspective regarding what we can easily come to believe to be our *entitlement* to leaked OSs. We have no such entitlement. But it is nice

The main reason there are so MANY looking for the next new *leaked*/*official*/*hybrid* is because the phone has so many "bugs". We all just figured that RIM had rushed the STORM out too early and that any day they would release an OS that would fix all those bugs...

Our *entitlement* is that we should not have to hide our phone around others out of shame.

[doctorsid]

RIM really didn't rush anything... most iPhone users I know are already on their fourth phone or more. And the coverage map is worse than the one they make fun of in the commercials. But I guess americans and those that live in rich countries like the usa wouldn't be happy if we didnt have something to complain about. Instead of boasting about what my Storm 1 will do, it seems that so many are so eager to wine about what it does wrong or what it wont do.

[mijinkiyo]

@jlsparks; I'm using the 419 released by the Italian provider MTS, thus it's not a beta version that someone leaked.

I know this is not a bug reporting section but seeing as it is for my rant about the OS... with 419 I've seen issues with JPG's loaded after install or downloaded via email. I also see a black/color banding on threaded sms after scrolling up in a conversation. In addition sometimes when I pick up my phone and press a button the screen will be black for about 3 seconds before anything shows up. These are issues that we, as a consumer, should not have to see in a released product.

[scalemaster34]

Originally Posted by doctorsid

RIM really didn't rush anything... most iPhone users I know are already on their fourth phone or more.

I know several iPhone users also, the only ones with different phones are the ones that liked it so much they upgraded to the newer models each time. (try not to pull my phone out when I'm around them anymore)

Originally Posted by doctorsid

And the coverage map is worse than the one they make fun of in the commercials.

Has nothing to do with the Phone, but the carrier. That is the reason that I have a VZW phone.

Originally Posted by doctorsid

But I guess americans and those that live in rich countries like the usa wouldn't be happy if we didnt have something to complain about.

Not sure what being Americans has to do with anything?

Originally Posted by doctorsid

Instead of boasting about what my Storm 1 will do, it seems that so many are so eager to wine about what it does wrong or what it wont do.

The Storm is great pieces of technology! But it could have been so much more, if it had just worked from day one. I've had mine for almost a year now, I have had to deal with a number of different OS and the problem each brought. I will admit that the phone is 200% better than it was a year ago. I just feel I should not have had to go thru the pains of this last year.

[Ltapilot]

Originally Posted by mijinkiyo

@jlsparks; I'm using the 419 released by the Italian provider MTS, thus it's not a beta version that someone leaked.

And I thought MTS was Manitoba Telecom Services Inc.

Sorry for the short hijack. Please return to your previously scheduled rant.

[Shlooky]

And the same goes for Storm 2, just as buggy!

I am liking 419 and will stay on it until I see another update.

[Ayrow]

It's simple guys; this phone will disappear from radar in a short matter of time.
Even the die-hard BB owners (like myself) will migrate to another phone, most likely an Android phone.

Contrary to what you might have read in the media about the iPhone, Blackberry phones dominate the smartphone market.

I've always been good with predictions in tech and that will change quickly.
I predict that the iPhone and Android/Google phones will be the phones to have a year from now. They will be neck-in-neck in apps, functionality, and form, and Blackberry will be like Nextel and Palm and fall by the wayside in business.
They will not be taken seriously anymore and will struggle to keep up.

The line between "business" phones and "personal" phones will continue to be blurred. There are several Google phones in development that will make the Droid look like a toy and Apple will release a 10" tablet this summer that will change the way we think about a personal computer.

Also on the horizon if Google's OS for the PC, thus helping the integration to Android phones.
Don't kid yourself, Google/Android is a force to be reckoned with and Apple knows it.

Sadly, I don't think RIM does.


You'll see.

[jusdis]

You all missed the whole point about LEAKED OS's. They are leaked people. Geez. Don't install it then. Wait for them to release "perfect" one. With the people who have bought every newer model of the iphone...BALLIN! Personally, since I cannot afford too buy every better model of a phone, will install as many OS's as it takes til they get it figured or my phone dies and I HAVE to buy a new one.

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[jusdis]

If the Android becomes the "it" phone...it will be for the same reason we all sit here waiting for a new leak....everyone loves newer and better..(Look at the divorce rate lol)

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