I love being in the select majority.

**jakeh0** · 05-28-2009, 10:58 AM

i've talked to a person who said their storm was perfect and not laggy and that they could type fine etc, so i asked to try it out and it was just like mine. only they typed super slow and had a higher tolerance of "acceptable lag" than i did

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by patches152

a vocal minority....very few people go look for a site like this if they're NOT having a problem. so what we should consider is the quantity of people who are NOT complaining...that should tell you something.

Thanks for pointing that out to her, she clearly missed the obvious when she made that statement, unless she was purposely exaggerating.

**RCCollins** · 05-28-2009, 11:03 AM

It is simply a matter of how high peoples standards are. The some people are satisfied with the Storm, LG Vu, Sony Walkman phone, Jitterbug, and that is fine.
Others want to be near the cutting edge of technology, and actually use the device to its potential, this is where the Storm falls flat on its face. RIM does not make a device that is in the same class as the G1, iPhone, and Pre.

**patches152** · 05-28-2009, 11:05 AM

so perfect is a relative term...good call.

**fecurtis** · 05-28-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by patches152

well of the people you're referring to, i bet they're all using .75, and its fair to say that .75 doesn't even deserve to be an OS released to the masses. but with business being what is, when a CEO tells you to release a device, you do it. i've said it before, if VZW held to their testing practices, we still wouldn't have the storm. but .148 is the closest to a build worth being an official as i've seen. once that's released, things will change.

No most of them aren't. Some are, but most aren't. Granted the overall number of glitches has decreased for those who have upgraded their OS to the LATEST leaked OS's (man I remember those .8x releases), still why do people have to hop on the internet and dl leaked OS after leaked OS to get the phone working properly?

My friends aren't stupid or anything (my old roommate had a Storm and she hated it but she was also incapable of changing inputs on the TV to watch FIOS so I just brushed it off, and I don't classify her as one of my "friends" who own it since I couldn't stand her). They're very tech savvy and most of them have owned a Blackberry in the past.

You'd be lying to yourself to tell yourself that this phone was pushed to market before it was ready.

Thankfully aside from a few minor problems (the iPhone has them too fanboys...I was playing around with Who Wants to be a Millionaire on my roommate's 3G iPhone and the damn thing froze on me...second time I've had an iPhone freeze on me), my phone works fine...even with the massive crack on my screen from when I dropped it.

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

It is simply a matter of how high peoples standards are. The some people are satisfied with the Storm, LG Vu, Sony Walkman phone, Jitterbug, and that is fine.
Others want to be near the cutting edge of technology, and actually use the device to its potential, this is where the Storm falls flat on its face. RIM does not make a device that is in the same class as the G1, iPhone, and Pre.

The OS isnt as flashy as those devices but has many of the capabilities of the devices you have listed.....so if you are referring to an "oh ah" factor I would say thats correct from an OS standpoint. The Storms OS has a more conservative look to it IMO.

**fecurtis** · 05-28-2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

It is simply a matter of how high peoples standards are. The some people are satisfied with the Storm, LG Vu, Sony Walkman phone, Jitterbug, and that is fine.
Others want to be near the cutting edge of technology, and actually use the device to its potential, this is where the Storm falls flat on its face. RIM does not make a device that is in the same class as the G1, iPhone, and Pre.

How can you hold it against a phone that's not even out yet?

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by fecurtis

No most of them aren't. Some are, but most aren't. Granted the overall number of glitches has decreased for those who have upgraded their OS to the LATEST leaked OS's (man I remember those .8x releases), still why do people have to hop on the internet and dl leaked OS after leaked OS to get the phone working properly?

You'd be lying to yourself to tell yourself that this phone was pushed to market before it was ready.

The .8x series was the worst of the ones ive expereinced and yes the phone was rushed its evident in the differences between .75 and .148.

**RCCollins** · 05-28-2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by chuk1005

The OS isnt as flashy as those devices but has many of the capabilities of the devices you have listed.....so if you are referring to an "oh ah" factor I would say thats correct from an OS standpoint. The Storms OS has a more conservative look to it IMO.

I could not care less about eye candy, the Storm fails in stability, usability, features and overall design.

**patches152** · 05-28-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by fecurtis

No most of them aren't. Some are, but most aren't. Granted the overall number of glitches has decreased for those who have upgraded their OS to the LATEST leaked OS's (man I remember those .8x releases), still why do people have to hop on the internet and dl leaked OS after leaked OS to get the phone working properly?

You'd be lying to yourself to tell yourself that this phone was pushed to market before it was ready.

you must not read a lot around here. i've stated at least 5 times TODAY ALONE that i think that if VZW held to their testing practices, that we still wouldn't have the storm. and i believe that they shouldn't have released the storm with .65 or .75, and that .148 is the first build i've used that is even worth considering for an official release...which it might be as soon as early next week (if it passes testing, that ends today btw)

**RCCollins** · 05-28-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by fecurtis

How can you hold it against a phone that's not even out yet?

Because it will be out in 9 days.

**patches152** · 05-28-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

I could not carer less about eye candy, the Storm fails in stability, usability, features and overall design.

i find your logic flawed.

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

I could not carer less about eye candy, the Storm fails in stability, usability, features and overall design.

In your opinion.....the phone works as it should for me, and I dont want to hear crap about people having lower standards. When I perform a function on the phone it does it...point blank im not sure what problems your having but I am not having any....but thats not to say I havent had issues in the past, im not having any now and thats what matters to me.

**fecurtis** · 05-28-2009, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by patches152

you must not read a lot around here. i've stated at least 5 times TODAY ALONE that i think that if VZW held to their testing practices, that we still wouldn't have the storm. and i believe that they shouldn't have released the storm with .65 or .75, and that .148 is the first build i've used that is even worth considering for an official release...which it might be as soon as early next week (if it passes testing, that ends today btw)

Didn't really mean that last sentence you quoted directly against you, it was just a general open statement, apologies.

In my personal use...I thought .99 was a great OS build. First OS I had where my phone finally started acting like the way I'd expected it to act back in November...a few OS's since then were horrible but yeah .148 has been solid so far.

**fecurtis** · 05-28-2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

Because it will be out in 9 days.

Notice how I asked:

How can you hold it against a phone that's not even out yet?

And not:

How can you hold it against a phone that's not even out in 10 days?

Doesn't matter if the phone came out within the next 5 minutes, you can't compare one product to another that's not even out or has been thoroughly tested. Not saying the Pre will suck (on paper it sounds awesome...but so did the Storm) but you gotta at least test it before making a judgment on it.

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

Because it will be out in 9 days.

But have you used it?...it could have stability and other issues u complain about.

**Snarfler** · 05-28-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by jononez1

The reason i first came to this site (or any phone forum for that matter) is because i was having major problems with the storm. I needed help and wondered if anybody else were having the same problems i had. All i got was "well its the first touchscreen phone for BB and its bound to have problems" and "just wait for updates and hope it works better"
I was gobsmacked at how accepting people are about this dodgy phone. im not an apple/iphone fanboy, however when i used the iphone - i found it was 10 times better in every way especially speed and reliablity. cannot see how anybody cannot see that simple fact

after ditching the storm and getting an iPhone, you still troll a lot in the storm forums, put down the storm and storm owners. Is it some feeble attempt to make yourself feel cool and better than us, or is there some other reason?

Don't get me wrong, you're welcome to post here, I was just wondering why you do it.

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Snarfler

after ditching the storm and getting an iPhone, you still troll a lot in the storm forums, put down the storm and storm owners. Is it some feeble attempt to make yourself feel cool and better than us, or is there some other reason?

Don't get me wrong, you're welcome to post here, I was just wondering why you do it.

I guess that person hasnt downloaded enough apps to keep them busy enough to get off this forum.

**RCCollins** · 05-28-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by chuk1005

In your opinion.....the phone works as it should for me, and I dont want to hear crap about people having lower standards. When I perform a function on the phone it does it...point blank im not sure what problems your having but I am not having any....but thats not to say I havent had issues in the past, im not having any now and thats what matters to me.

You may not want to hear about people having low standards, but that is the case. For you it may be acceptable, I find the Storm simply unacceptable, a very poor performer.

**patches152** · 05-28-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Didn't really mean that last sentence you quoted directly against you, it was just a general open statement, apologies.

In my personal use...I thought .99 was a great OS build. First OS I had where my phone finally started acting like the way I'd expected it to act back in November...a few OS's since then were horrible but yeah .148 has been solid so far.

its cool. i understand, i woke up too early today i think

need my cheap sunglasses....

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

You may not want to hear about people having low standards, but that is the case. For you it may be acceptable, I find the Storm simply unacceptable, a very poor performer.

well you still have a device you are unhappy with and I dont, so whats that say about standards buddy.

**scorpiodsu** · 05-28-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

It is simply a matter of how high peoples standards are. The some people are satisfied with the Storm, LG Vu, Sony Walkman phone, Jitterbug, and that is fine.
Others want to be near the cutting edge of technology, and actually use the device to its potential, this is where the Storm falls flat on its face. RIM does not make a device that is in the same class as the G1, iPhone, and Pre.

This is the best point on this thread. Some people are willing to put up or tolerate certain "quirks" and others aren't. So lag to one person might be a frustrating when lag to someone else is no big deal. If I had to return a device 5 times, I don't want it anymore. But some people aren't like that. They will keep getting another because they can tolerate the device. IMO, the Storm was a major step down in reliability and build quality when compared to other Blackberry devices. Now whether it should have been released as it was, is debatable but it was surely a disappointment to me. Of all the blackberries I've ever had that was the only one I wanted to throw out of a moving car and forget all about the money. But that's just me. I didn't even have severe problems like others and I still took mine back.

For anyone to need to be tech savvy or NEED to visit CB is an unacceptable excuse. Of all the Blackberry users in the world, CB represents a very small population and no one should need to come here to "fix" a device. If I gotta "fix" the device straight out of the box, then the problem is with the device and not with the user. I just feel for those that don't know anything about CB and are having trouble because there's nothing RIM/VZW can/will do now except get ready for another device launch. I'm a lot of people Storms are working great, but everyone didn't get a good device and don't hold the same standards.

P.S. My Bold kicks the Storm's behind in every way.

**RCCollins** · 05-28-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by chuk1005

well you still have a device you are unhappy with and I dont, so whats that say about standards buddy.

I have to use it for work?

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:42 AM

You dont need to visit CB do you think most people with storms or any BB device visit CB?.....out of about 10 people I know with BB's only 2 of us visit this site...you guys really exaggerate...

**chuk1005** · 05-28-2009, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by RCCollins

I have to use it for work?

so the storm is the protocol...sure buddy...but I hope you eventually get a device that fits your needs...so you dont have to spend endless days complaining.....cant be good for your work morale.