Why RIM will not be writing an OS to run the robots or cyborgs of the future.

JRSCCivic98 · Thread Author #1 11-19-2009, 02:15 PM

YouTube - Kawada Industries' NEXTAGE

Look at how they slow down towards the middle of the video...

gettat2d · #2 11-20-2009, 06:40 AM

it says something in description about them working alongside human workers......i noticed when they slow down was when the guy walked in closer to them.... i wonder if it is safty proximity sensors or something? cause they speed back up as soon as he steps back

CB.Mike-D · #3 11-20-2009, 08:19 AM

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it says something in description about them working alongside human workers......i noticed when they slow down was when the guy walked in closer to them.... i wonder if it is safty proximity sensors or something? cause they speed back up as soon as he steps back

NO!!! its not safety sensors, they just dont like the human..... and so it begins

JRSCCivic98 · Thread Author #4 11-20-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm still waiting for decision making robots to show up. Right now, those robots are not doing anything that hasn't been programmed in them to the mm. There's nothing fancy there... do this, then this, then this.... over and over again. Sure, they have advanced with proximity sensors and vision detection, but still. We need a robot that "learns" and develops its basic programming based on experiences... just like a human/animal brain does. The concept isn't hard, it's just trial and error, but with physical feedback.

Right now, you can program a robot to try picking up a glass without breaking it and have it learn from the failure. For example, if it crushes it because it applies too much pressure, it'll lower that pressure and try again and again, until the right pressure is achieved and it's sucessful. The problem here is that there's no negative thing that happens to the robot if it fails, so it could fail 5 times or 500 times before it gets it right. The learn logic is not driven by pain or fear, which is how a human/animal brain works. If you pick something up when you were a kid and it broke in your hands and cut you, you would regulate your next try at a much higher level of awareness so as to keep from getting hurt again.... this is the key factor that robots unfortunately don't have the luxury of experiencing and this is why they can't learn fast enough.

Another example, is a robot trying to go around an obsticle... it might bumpt into it 10 times before it finally finds a way around it. No human or animal would do that because of the physical and visual feedback it experienced. We need a way of programming something to interpret negative feedback as a GREATER issue then just a "fail and try again" scenario.... that's when you'll see some great advancements made in robotics and sentient learning.

gettat2d · #5 11-20-2009, 11:46 AM

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We need a robot that "learns"

umm. No. No we don't! Lol

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patches152 · #6 11-20-2009, 12:26 PM

i'm on .113 and i don't have any of those issues :-p

JRSCCivic98 · Thread Author #7 11-20-2009, 12:35 PM

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umm. No. No we don't! Lol

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lol, yes we do. The Terminator effect only happens because they didn't value life. The iRobot factor happened because they were locked into securing human life, so the only option was for jailing/securing human activity via restriction rather then killing humanity off.

This is the issue with 0/1 programming. It's either right or wrong, but there's no room for development of "what if" based on a self-decision one has to make. For example, no one wants to live in a world where people die because of hunger or because of murder, but we turn a blind eye to it because "it doesn't affect us immediately". The minute someone close to us is subject to such affairs, our viewpoints all of a sudden change. This is what everyone's ideology of sentient robots has been... they lack the capability to "let isht slide" just because they don't care. So, they treat everything as black and white, right or wrong. They see a threat, they eradiate that threat, no matter if it effects their immediate situation or 100 years from now. This also bring about the idea that sentient robot mentality has no concept of time or rather the human idea of "Meh, I'll be dead before that affects me". For example, people don't do much about the environment now because our lifelines are limited and our rationalle is basically... by the time I'm dead, the earth won't blow up, so what do I care what happens after I die. See what I mean... Sentient lifeforms based on strict programming code to do or don't do something always follows that code. It's almost impossible to find someone in today's world that has a high level of ethics... one so high that they'd put their own life/wellbeing and the life/wellbeing of their family at risk to maintain those ethical views and guidelines. Sooner or later, they'd realize that they must break those rules, no matter if it's right or wrong... it's a "compromise".

At least this is how I view the whole concept/idea on the subject.

patches152 · #8 11-20-2009, 12:36 PM

you need a hobby, sweetie

ChuckH0308 · #9 11-20-2009, 12:48 PM

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you need a hobby, sweetie

LOL, this IS her hobby!

JRSCCivic98 · Thread Author #10 11-20-2009, 12:51 PM

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you need a hobby, sweetie

Oh, trust me, I have tons of hobbies... I play sports, tech, cars, whatever... This is all part of an overactive mind... one of the things to bear in my life.

Case in point... I think too much. lol

patches152 · #11 11-20-2009, 12:52 PM

you're just a stick of dynamite, aren't ya?

JRSCCivic98 · Thread Author #12 11-20-2009, 12:54 PM

Yep, pretty much. lol

TannerSD398 · #13 11-20-2009, 12:58 PM

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Oh, trust me, I have tons of hobbies... I play sports, tech, cars, whatever... This is all part of an overactive mind... one of the things to bear in my life.

Case in point... I think too much. lol

I'm The Same Way.

rayzryd266 · #14 11-20-2009, 02:35 PM

civic - I have to agree with you on most of your views regarding human nature (we are a selfish speicies). In the Terminator series as well as the Matrix series the robotic enteties compared us to a virus or bacteria on the planet (which is an excellent analogy by the writers in my opinion) - we use up resources, hide our wastes in the earth and preserve our "humanity" by exterminating other life forms (like a cancer). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that a computer that is given the ability to think on its own wouldn't at some point see it like this also. This is of course just a theory just like the movies, but I feel like it has some validation - and that lies within the perception of the maker and/or the sentinal itself. It's somewhat of a double edged sword - both good and bad.