5.0 OS Launch (If I were RIM...)

[markdental]

I'm just passing on what I heard.

I feel the same way, but can only say what I hear.

Maybe the new NDA's include more harsh language. ****, do any of us know?

But something sure has changed....

[The_Engine]

Something drastic clearly happened. And it happened across the board, not just from VZW.

Originally Posted by cd36

I don't think it is tough for RIM to include code identifying where every copy went. If a copy leaks that went to department X of company Y it is pretty easy to track down who did it.

ALso developement is always going to be ahead of testing. It is impossible to say not to release a build if there is a newer one coming cause there always will be. Thats like saying not to buy the storm cause the tour is coming, but not to buy the tour cause the storm 2 is coming, but you can't buy storm 2 cause product X is coming. At some point you just have to say that the current product is good enough and release it.

Not everything is perfect, not my storm, nor any piece of technology I have ever owned from having to blow into my NES to get it to read cartidges, to having to return my Archos 605 on warranty, to my Samsung u740 occasionally locking up when trying to answer a phone call (at least my storm doesn't do that). No product is perfect, grass always looks greener on the other side, just be happy with what you got, and if it is causing you so many problems ditch it and leave.

yeah...im getting really annoyed with people making their lame NDA excuses for why we have no leaks. First of all, I dont think we are seeing any new updates not because of the reason that they simply just stopped making updates. Im sorry but the whole theme behind research in motion is always updating the OS. What I think is taking so long to release something is because the items that are being tested for 5.0 are going to be alot more intricate and alot of changes are probably taking place, which means that they are having to thourougly test things to make sure they are ready. Now that they got the device out there, it is better for them to take time with this new direction and not rush it in order to get it right. Im sure RIM is paranoid about that considering the fact that they KNOW everyone thinks the storm was rushed. One thing at a time. I am sure that we will get alot better features for our phones than the bold and curves 5.0. If not then we would already have 5.0 for storm. I think that they threw the basic OS out there for the storm with 4.0, but they left the capability for the OS for STorm to uniquely grow in its own direction from that. 4.0 was the seed, 5.0 is the marking the beginning of the touch screens own direction.

[devildrifterX]

If RIM did it right 5.0 could be a big deal especially with a worldwide simultaneous release. Not every device is getting 5.0, and if I'm right the only ones getting it are the 8900 Bold Storm Flip Tour 8500? And future devices. I doubt a world wide release wouldn't be that farfetched.

I believe leaks are tight for 5.0 for the Storm cause they know a lot of eyes are on this model considering its competition (iphone & pre) and its really the only serious consumer smartphone they have made. The Pearl sucked and the only reason the Curve has taken off is because of the texting boom that's sweeping the nation and world.

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[The_Engine]

Originally Posted by ThreeSixMafia

yeah...im getting really annoyed with people making their lame NDA excuses for why we have no leaks. First of all, I dont think we are seeing any new updates not because of the reason that they simply just stopped making updates. Im sorry but the whole theme behind research in motion is always updating the OS. What I think is taking so long to release something is because the items that are being tested for 5.0 are going to be alot more intricate and alot of changes are probably taking place, which means that they are having to thourougly test things to make sure they are ready. Now that they got the device out there, it is better for them to take time with this new direction and not rush it in order to get it right. Im sure RIM is paranoid about that considering the fact that they KNOW everyone thinks the storm was rushed. One thing at a time. I am sure that we will get alot better features for our phones than the bold and curves 5.0. If not then we would already have 5.0 for storm. I think that they threw the basic OS out there for the storm with 4.0, but they left the capability for the OS for STorm to uniquely grow in its own direction from that. 4.0 was the seed, 5.0 is the marking the beginning of the touch screens own direction.

Delusional. 5.0 will not make any significant change to UI from what we have seen of it to date. In fact the ui changes only really apply to devices on 4.6 because 5 is using the 4.7 UI. They created a new Core, but reused the UI. Best case scenario is that Core allows a UI overhaul in a 5.1 or something. In the end the objective of the Storm was to create a media/Internet/app say device that could run on RIM's BIS/BES infrastructure. Do we think they were successful? (keep in mind they were looking at the I Done for what 4 years by the time Storm launched. So they had something to measure against )

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Originally Posted by The_Engine

Delusional. 5.0 will not make any significant change to UI from what we have seen of it to date. In fact the ui changes only really apply to devices on 4.6 because 5 is using the 4.7 UI. They created a new Core, but reused the UI. Best case scenario is that Core allows a UI overhaul in a 5.1 or something. In the end the objective of the Storm was to create a media/Internet/app say device that could run on RIM's BIS/BES infrastructure. Do we think they were successful? (keep in mind they were looking at the I Done for what 4 years by the time Storm launched. So they had something to measure against )

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I didnt say anything about the UI.....and the UI will eventually change. That is a fact. Maybe not immediately on 5.0 but gradually. Why else would RIM restructure their user experience team....???? Do you know what User Experience means?? Stop think that its a big secret that RIM is planning on changing their User Interface. They've already admitted to it. They haven't said how or when, but they are aware that the UI and OS are boring.

[The_Engine]

Originally Posted by ThreeSixMafia

I didnt say anything about the UI.....and the UI will eventually change. That is a fact. Maybe not immediately on 5.0 but gradually. Why else would RIM restructure their user experience team....???? Do you know what User Experience means?? Stop think that its a big secret that RIM is planning on changing their User Interface. They've already admitted to it. They haven't said how or when, but they are aware that the UI and OS are boring.

Good point. I just find it ridiculous to release a new OS and use old UI. And as I understand it 5.0 is about better integration with BES. Yes there is some other nice to haves but all reviews and commentary that I have read seems that the updates are minimal at best. So yes we will have to see what RIM does in 5.1 or late 5.0 but how long for that? 2011?

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[britishturbo]

Originally Posted by The_Engine

Delusional. 5.0 will not make any significant change to UI from what we have seen of it to date. In fact the ui changes only really apply to devices on 4.6 because 5 is using the 4.7 UI. They created a new Core, but reused the UI. Best case scenario is that Core allows a UI overhaul in a 5.1 or something. In the end the objective of the Storm was to create a media/Internet/app say device that could run on RIM's BIS/BES infrastructure. Do we think they were successful? (keep in mind they were looking at the I Done for what 4 years by the time Storm launched. So they had something to measure against )

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Actually the I-Phone has only been out 2 years now right? So when the Storm was being conceived the I-Phone was less than a year old... Just remember that

Originally Posted by The_Engine

Good point. I just find it ridiculous to release a new OS and use old UI. And as I understand it 5.0 is about better integration with BES. Yes there is some other nice to haves but all reviews and commentary that I have read seems that the updates are minimal at best. So yes we will have to see what RIM does in 5.1 or late 5.0 but how long for that? 2011?

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noooo. I dont think that late lol. Cause you gotta remember RIm plans to release more touch devices. Every new phone season will have new touch devices, and with those new touch devices will have to be a new update. So thats a sign to know that we will at least see SOMETHING before the end of the year. Its probably going to be 5.0 during or before STORM 2...which will most likely be released this year also! So hold tight, 3 months or so flys by. As far as UI goes...we all have NO idea when we will see these changes lol. Remember RIM has been super secretive lately, so we have no idea what they are cooking up. It has to be more than the 5.0 on bold because otherwise if it wasnt, they would have given us 5.0 already. But because problems for the storm are STORM specific, we will see our own changes.

[The_Engine]

Originally Posted by britishturbo

Actually the I-Phone has only been out 2 years now right? So when the Storm was being conceived the I-Phone was less than a year old... Just remember that

Only 2 years!? Damn I lost a year somewhere.

I hope you are all right. But I am not holding my breath.

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[blackmannx]

The lack of leaks comes from two fronts.. one Rim cracked down internally on leaks to prevent lost of intellectual property. From a carrier level some of the embarrassment caused by leaks (remember that big BGR story bout an upcoming release that DIDNT happen) as well a damage to market position caused some serious and drastic changes..

People Lost Their Jobs... Who it was doesnt matter as no one on CB is going to take care of their families, but it happened.

As for the 9500 leaks well voda has a stake in this too and with increased security at the source (rim) you can bet that some Intern will not get their hands on a 5.0 build. All builds are digitally signed in several places and with different sigs to identify where they came from.. No one in a position to have that kind of access wants to risk their career for some forum. There is life beyond CB remember..

5.0 is nice , not perfect but nice and when it launches it will be a nice upgrade to those on older devices but the changes from 4.7 to 5.0 are not world changing..

[bmtenney]

Originally Posted by blackmannx

The lack of leaks comes from two fronts.. one Rim cracked down internally on leaks to prevent lost of intellectual property. From a carrier level some of the embarrassment caused by leaks (remember that big BGR story bout an upcoming release that DIDNT happen) as well a damage to market position caused some serious and drastic changes..

People Lost Their Jobs... Who it was doesnt matter as no one on CB is going to take care of their families, but it happened.

As for the 9500 leaks well voda has a stake in this too and with increased security at the source (rim) you can bet that some Intern will not get their hands on a 5.0 build. All builds are digitally signed in several places and with different sigs to identify where they came from.. No one in a position to have that kind of access wants to risk their career for some forum. There is life beyond CB remember..

5.0 is nice , not perfect but nice and when it launches it will be a nice upgrade to those on older devices but the changes from 4.7 to 5.0 are not world changing..

Well said and thanks for being it up again, in case some of the people missed it

[pkcable]

I would not expect another 4.7 version from verizon the next release will be a 5.0

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[britishturbo]

Originally Posted by blackmannx

The lack of leaks comes from two fronts.. one Rim cracked down internally on leaks to prevent lost of intellectual property. From a carrier level some of the embarrassment caused by leaks (remember that big BGR story bout an upcoming release that DIDNT happen) as well a damage to market position caused some serious and drastic changes..

People Lost Their Jobs... Who it was doesnt matter as no one on CB is going to take care of their families, but it happened.

As for the 9500 leaks well voda has a stake in this too and with increased security at the source (rim) you can bet that some Intern will not get their hands on a 5.0 build. All builds are digitally signed in several places and with different sigs to identify where they came from.. No one in a position to have that kind of access wants to risk their career for some forum. There is life beyond CB remember..

5.0 is nice , not perfect but nice and when it launches it will be a nice upgrade to those on older devices but the changes from 4.7 to 5.0 are not world changing..

What he said!!!!

[pkcable]

So verizon needs OS testers now? . It almost a crime that they haven't hired Civic she found more bugs then all the VZW testers combined. . Ok I'm exaggerating but not by much.

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