[scottmccarthy945]

I definitely am not for the negativity toward the BB products as it doesn't accomplish much, however, why is there so much negativity toward the Apple and Android products? Just this week I see people slamming the IOS 6 release and stating that the features are nothing new, etc.

Personally, I think the IOS 6 release is a big deal not only for Apple but RIM. Apple is bringing in a new mapping software and also extending SIRI to the IPAD. Regardless of what anyone thinks, SIRI is a game changer not only for voice search but also for voice dictation which works incredibly well.

My point is that there used to be this company called Novell who made great server software. They said for years that Windows NT would never be at the level of Novell and the new features etc are garbage.

Low and behold, 5 years later Windows NT took over the server market and ran Novell out of the server OS game years later. My point is don't let your blind loyalty to BB blind you to what's happening in the market.

The BB Playbook is an impressive device but it's useless if perception is negative or no one is buying the devices. Last time I checked, all the major retailers pulled the displays and gave up on the PB.

I don't think the negativity toward BB's competitors does nothing but make people look desperate to compare BB to other products when in fact BB is in its own lane.

[hurds]

I definitely am not for the negativity toward the BB products as it doesn't accomplish much, however, why is there so much negativity toward the Apple and Android products? Just this week I see people slamming the IOS 6 release and stating that the features are nothing new, etc.

Personally, I think the IOS 6 release is a big deal not only for Apple but RIM. Apple is bringing in a new mapping software and also extending SIRI to the IPAD. Regardless of what anyone thinks, SIRI is a game changer not only for voice search but also for voice dictation which works incredibly well.

My point is that there used to be this company called Novell who made great server software. They said for years that Windows NT would never be at the level of Novell and the new features etc are garbage.

Low and behold, 5 years later Windows NT took over the server market and ran Novell out of the server OS game years later. My point is don't let your blind loyalty to BB blind you to what's happening in the market.

The BB Playbook is an impressive device but it's useless if perception is negative or no one is buying the devices. Last time I checked, all the major retailers pulled the displays and gave up on the PB.

I don't think the negativity toward BB's competitors does nothing but make people look desperate to compare BB to other products when in fact BB is in its own lane.

I say we should slam away at the competition. Non-bb users come here for the single person of slamming bb. This is a BB fan site, I would be surprised if other companies didnt get slammed. The other companies definitely have their faults. You also contradicted yourself in your first post. Fact is what was shown of ios6 is nothing new.

Edit:

And a double standard, is it okay to be a blind apple fanboy despite what people say about siri?

[Pete6]

It is inevitable that BlackBerry and Apple are compared. BlackBerry was the market leader and now Apple is seen as the cool device.

This has little to do with the actual functionality of the devices. We all know that BlkackBerrys work extremly well and that the iPhone has a flashy UI but has poor battery life.

Further, everytime a new release is announced, the pundits leasp forward to examine, compare and judge. Usually they do this from a near zero knowledge base. There is an overwhelming desire to a). be heard and b). to not give negative publicity to Apple. Their fanbois are legion and will brook no criticism from their baby.

RIM is moving down their road to BB10 release and it is doubful that they could, at this stage, make more than minor changes to the product.

I like BlackBerrys and will now stay with them for a good long time. I had an iPhone earlier this yar for just over a month. Quite frankly I thought that it was a heap of crap. The UI was cramped and singular. Their were relatively few user options, I could not remove certain app (Newstand). There was no way to make Bluetooth undiscoverable, the WiFi wanted to connect to every AP in view. The apps had relatively (compared to a BlackBery) user options. The battery life was terrible and neither the battery or the memory (microSD card) were removable.

I want to see RIM succeed but I am afraid that when BB10 is released with new hardware and new software, there will be problems, shortcomings and ommissions as with any new product. I live in hope.

[Mister-E]

Some of the slamming is naive and sometimes arrogant, and other times it's dead on.

It is easy to slam iOS 6 for it being an incremental update, but what do you expect from a mature OS.

As for your comments on Siri and iOS 6. Siri is not a game changer. Software like this has existed for a while. I have had a better experience with Vlingo, since the time I owned a Storm, over Siri. The one thing I do like about the Siri update is that you can use it to launch apps. As for the iPad getting Siri, who cares. Voice commands are most effective on the go with a mobile device, not sitting on the couch surfing the web.

The maps are a step up with turn by turn navigation. However, I would prefer to use a dedicated GPS app as the maps are preloaded and there is no need to worry about data usage (a big issue when I am in the US and the roaming charges are insane), or traveling in a rural area and not getting a signal.

[psufan32]

I definitely am not for the negativity toward the BB products as it doesn't accomplish much, however, why is there so much negativity toward the Apple and Android products? Just this week I see people slamming the IOS 6 release and stating that the features are nothing new, etc.

Personally, I think the IOS 6 release is a big deal not only for Apple but RIM. Apple is bringing in a new mapping software and also extending SIRI to the IPAD. Regardless of what anyone thinks, SIRI is a game changer not only for voice search but also for voice dictation which works incredibly well.

My point is that there used to be this company called Novell who made great server software. They said for years that Windows NT would never be at the level of Novell and the new features etc are garbage.

Low and behold, 5 years later Windows NT took over the server market and ran Novell out of the server OS game years later. My point is don't let your blind loyalty to BB blind you to what's happening in the market.

The BB Playbook is an impressive device but it's useless if perception is negative or no one is buying the devices. Last time I checked, all the major retailers pulled the displays and gave up on the PB.

I don't think the negativity toward BB's competitors does nothing but make people look desperate to compare BB to other products when in fact BB is in its own lane.

It's the same mentality constantly seen from politicians. If unable to stand out from the pack on their own, they disparage the competition, then repeat repeat, repeat, until they are the "least worst" option. It's happened in politics for millennia and is ever more present in our always connected, anonymous world of today.

I say we should slam away at the competition. Non-bb users come here for the single person of slamming bb. This is a BB fan site, I would be surprised if other companies didnt get slammed. The other companies definitely have their faults. You also contradicted yourself in your first post. Fact is what was shown of ios6 is nothing new.

Edit:

And a double standard, is it okay to be a blind apple fanboy despite what people say about siri?

Perhaps Kevin should clarify what the intent of this site is. Is it for "fans" of a technology company? (How weird is that?) Or, is this a site to discuss technology and, within the sub forums, for BB users to discuss their particular services?

[OzarkaTexile]

This has little to do with the actual functionality of the devices. We all know that BlkackBerrys work extremly well and that the iPhone has a flashy UI but has poor battery life.

Delusional. Jim and Mike would be proud of you. I'm sure this is what they'll tell their grandchildren when they ask what a Blackberry was.

iOS doesn't have a flashy UI, it has a functional UI. Compare it to the menu driven list of nested commands in Blackberry and you'll start to get an idea why users like it and the competition copies it.

iOS has more functionality because it has more apps and better apps. Which device has more functionality out of the box is a different question, but when someone asks if they can watch Netflix streaming on their phone, the answer is an app.

As for battery life. It's good enough. When given the choice between a device that lasts days or a device that lasts most of a day, they chose the iPhone.

[Barljo]

...so you joined a BlackBerry forum to evangelise about a different platform?

I don't understand this behaviour. Please enlighten me...

[jrohland]

I don't care what device you like. But, this site is for BlackBerry discussions. Why should I be subjected to constant discussions of other products here. And I am. The classic analogy applies; You don't go to the Ford site to discuss Chevy. Apparently there is no problem going to a BlackBerry site to discuss Apple.

Occasionally, someone tries to discuss the other product or company in the context of how it affects RIM/BlackBerry. That is potentially useful to BB users.

Recently someone posted about their excitement over some new Apple computer. That was posted in the General Discussion forum and had nothing to do with RIM or BB. Before it got moved by a moderator, I expressed my disinterest in the subject.

[Pete6]

Delusional. Jim and Mike would be proud of you. I'm sure this is what they'll tell their grandchildren when they ask what a Blackberry was.

iOS doesn't have a flashy UI, it has a functional UI. Compare it to the menu driven list of nested commands in Blackberry and you'll start to get an idea why users like it and the competition copies it.

iOS has more functionality because it has more apps and better apps. Which device has more functionality out of the box is a different question, but when someone asks if they can watch Netflix streaming on their phone, the answer is an app.

As for battery life. It's good enough. When given the choice between a device that lasts days or a device that lasts most of a day, they chose the iPhone.

Err, this is planet Earth, where are you from?

The iPhones UI is a permanent advertisement. It is so in you face that it fool most people into having them think that it is actually functional.

As I said, I have the app I want and I have useful features like /Off. I also have a 59 inTv so whay would I EVER need Netflix on my phone.

Apps DO NOT make a good OS. Apps run under an OS.

[Chrisy]

The outright anti RIM nowadays is a little off putting. I like hearing opinions but there's a handful of posters that you know, when you read their post, is going to bash RIM also usually just talk about iPhone or Android.

This is CrackBerry. If we can't be enthused about BlackBerry here, then where. I don't hate Apple or Android. But I get so tired of hearing about those phones that I'm not interested in. It's like we're a captive audience because we are at the best place for BlackBerry phones yet we have to sift through all the iPhone posts. That's where my frustration comes in. Like I said, I value opinions but it's not balanced in here now. It's leaning toward RIM doom and gloom and more posts about iPhone than BlackBerry.

If I say Siri is useless and the notification on iPhone are terrible, the same 3 people will come in and yell that's not right. Or that Android screens are way too big, the same 3 people will come in and be argumentative about it. It's all opinions. But I prefer BlackBerry. Deal with it. This is a BlackBerry site. I do wish the users that don't use/like BlackBerry and/or constantly talk about other platforms would go to AC or iMore.


But luckily it's summer here. There's more to do than CrackBerry.

[jrohland]

Yes, my ignore list is growing as more and more anti-BB members show up here.

You are right about there being better things to do but, with BB Bridge and PlayBook, those down moments can be easily and inexpensively filled with online socializing. Part of that socializing is with the interesting people here on CB.

[amazinglygraceless]

I say we should slam away at the competition. Non-bb users come here for the single person of slamming bb.

This is what is known as excusing bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

I have always felt the slagging of any given platform is done by one of two groups.

(A) The starry eyed, BB, Android, iOS for life fanatics who can see nothing wrong with their
specific choice and considers anyone who does not agree as being intellectually inferior.

(B) The way too sensitive, eternally put upon who feel the need to justify their choice by
running down everything else and those who choose it.

Both are abject morons and you have the permission of all of us clear headed, open-minded
BlackBerry user to ignore these people.

As long as there are differences in devices and differences in peoples views there will be negativity.
You just got to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff,

[sleepngbear]

@scott, agreed on some of your points. All I'd like to add is, perhaps if certain posters weren't so blatantly negative towards BB and BB users, then certain BB users would be less inclined to be negative toward other brands and their users, particularly since this IS a BB site. Take post #6, for example. We are not delusional, we are fans and users of one brand more than another brand -- that's what we are here for.

I will say no more on the subject.

[amazinglygraceless]

I don't care what device you like. But, this site is for BlackBerry discussions. Why should I be subjected to constant discussions of other products here.

Not really. The great thing about this site is it welcomes everyone regardless of platform
or device.

Our problem is some of our users are like that aunt everyone has that comes by for a friendly
visit and then spends three days pointing out your dust bunnies, poor laundry skills, flaw in
your meatloaf recipe, your low tire pressure, the lumpiness of your couch cushions and the ONLY
proper way to clean soap scum from the shower (because, honey you need the help)

[Chrisy]

Another point that is underlined in the OP.

I don't care about the market. If I want to enjoy my BlackBerry then that's what I'm going to do. I'm not in control of the market, I don't care about the market.

If RIM goes under, ok. I'm not sitting here fretting about it. I'm just using my BlackBerry.

When I am interested in another platform I GO TO THAT PLATFORMS SITE. I really do! That's seems more logical.

I can't understand why some posters are here. I read post histories. I read a lot and there are some that ONLY post badly about BlackBerry AND they just are here to defend iPhone. We don't need that here.

Call me a fan boy, blind, etc. Whatever. I'm just using a phone I like. It suits me. I think it's great, BETTER than Android and iPhone.

[kbz1960]

Negativity begats negativity. Another part is when looking at "today's post" you see all of mobile nations post and not just bb post. I imagine the same thing happens when you throw a bunch of religious fanatics in the same room.

Then there is the sites motto. The #1 site for blackberry users and abusers. Which doesn't seem to promote "where iphone and android fans come to tell you how much your choice sucks."

[sleepngbear]

Not really. The great thing about this site is it welcomes everyone regardless of platform
or device.

Our problem is some of our users are like that aunt everyone has that comes by for a friendly
visit and then spends three days pointing out your dust bunnies, poor laundry skills, flaw in
your meatloaf recipe, your low tire pressure, the lumpiness of your couch cushions and the ONLY
proper way to clean soap scum from the shower (because, honey you need the help)

Made me blow my instant grits out my nose.

[Chrisy]

Negativity begats negativity. Another part is when looking at "today's post" you see all of mobile nations post and not just bb post. I imagine the same thing happens when you throw a bunch of religious fanatics in the same room.

Then there is the sites motto. The #1 site for blackberry users and abusers. Which doesn't seem to promote "where iphone and android fans come to tell you how much your choice sucks."

Right. Also I have been called stupid TWICE, different posters, for having what my avatar is. I can find the posts in a few seconds.

I mean, really? Some days I just think, "leave us in our beaten down misery already." Lol. But hard as it is I still post on CrackBerry. Because this is the best place for BLACKBERRY news and BLACKBERRY tips.

There are a few posters that should be banned until they get a BlackBerry.

[Houshinto]

I definitely am not for the negativity toward the BB products as it doesn't accomplish much, however, why is there so much negativity toward the Apple and Android products? Just this week I see people slamming the IOS 6 release and stating that the features are nothing new, etc.

Personally, I think the IOS 6 release is a big deal not only for Apple but RIM. Apple is bringing in a new mapping software and also extending SIRI to the IPAD. Regardless of what anyone thinks, SIRI is a game changer not only for voice search but also for voice dictation which works incredibly well.

My point is that there used to be this company called Novell who made great server software. They said for years that Windows NT would never be at the level of Novell and the new features etc are garbage.

Low and behold, 5 years later Windows NT took over the server market and ran Novell out of the server OS game years later. My point is don't let your blind loyalty to BB blind you to what's happening in the market.

The BB Playbook is an impressive device but it's useless if perception is negative or no one is buying the devices. Last time I checked, all the major retailers pulled the displays and gave up on the PB.

I don't think the negativity toward BB's competitors does nothing but make people look desperate to compare BB to other products when in fact BB is in its own lane.

Ok I'll bite. Here's your own words.

"I definitely am not for the negativity toward the BB products as it doesn't accomplish much."
"The BB Playbook is an impressive device but it's useless if perception is negative"
-Clearly negativity has accomplished much, and you confirm it with the view that it's useless since perception is negative.

And frankly, if you going to register and have your first post be.
"Don't let your blind loyalty to BB blind you to what's happening in the market"
"Negativity toward BB's competitors does nothing but make people look desperate to compare BB to other products"
"I think the IOS 6 release is a big deal"
"Regardless of what anyone thinks, SIRI is a game changer not only for voice search but also for voice dictation which works incredibly well"
-Then it really does make one question your motives. Really, this is not hey I think I'm gonna contribute a little something for my first post. This is long, premeditated, and deliberate. Or otherwise known as a rant, like this one

Glad that you love what Apple has come out with. However, there are those of us who are not as impressed. That makes us as much "blind fanboys as it does make you a hypocritical troll".

Good day!

[jrohland]

The motto of this site is: Number One Site for BlackBerry Users and Abusers. I think maybe there are a large number of people who interpret the and Abusers to mean they are permitted, nee required, to abuse those who have selected BlackBerry as the device which best meets their needs.

[Chrisy]

The motto of this site is: Number One Site for BlackBerry Users and Abusers. I think maybe there are a large number of people who interpret the and Abusers to mean they are permitted, nee required, to abuse those who have selected BlackBerry as the device which best meets their needs.

That's it, I need to go full site to start liking some posts.

[_StephenBB81]

The motto of this site is: Number One Site for BlackBerry Users and Abusers. I think maybe there are a large number of people who interpret the and Abusers to mean they are permitted, nee required, to abuse those who have selected BlackBerry as the device which best meets their needs.

That slogan has been gone for a while, because this site very much was becoming the number 1 site for BlackBerry Abusers, people who hate BlackBerry MUST flock to CrackBerry because they are tolerant, and inviting, even if you are just here to dis BlackBerry.

Heck our iPhone Forums on here are about as active as all of iMore...

[janeka]

I say we should slam away at the competition. Non-bb users come here for the single person of slamming bb. This is a BB fan site, I would be surprised if other companies didnt get slammed. The other companies definitely have their faults. You also contradicted yourself in your first post. Fact is what was shown of ios6 is nothing new.

Edit:

And a double standard, is it okay to be a blind apple fanboy despite what people say about siri?

Hmmm interesting I'm pretty sure flaming isn't allowed here. But I can say mobbing at the competition defensively is needed. Half the fools who throw that ignorance around about blackberry is still paying for a bb data plan, but throws fire at the brand just to fit in with the ifanboys just because the second phone they own is a 4s.

[janeka]

Right. Also I have been called stupid TWICE, different posters, for having what my avatar is. I can find the posts in a few seconds.

I mean, really? Some days I just think, "leave us in our beaten down misery already." Lol. But hard as it is I still post on CrackBerry. Because this is the best place for BLACKBERRY news and BLACKBERRY tips.

There are a few posters that should be banned until they get a BlackBerry.

You find that insulting go to BGR.com. just stating your a blackberry user gets you called out, in addition with geller being the author of that negative post draws a bigger crowd. Globeandmail.com is the same way.

[Chrisy]

You find that insulting go to BGR.com. just stating your a blackberry user gets you called out, in addition with geller being the author of that negative post draws a bigger crowd. Globeandmail.com is the same way.

I'm proud to say I never visited that site, ever! And it will stay that way!