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Also Sprint. Of course the last thing I want is Google sniffing my cellular use.
Posted via CB10lift and barbarianthemadserb like this.01-21-15 06:07 PMLike 2 -
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- Wonder if Google is going to turn the Tmob $30 plan as their base plan paired with Google Voice/Hangouts.barbarianthemadserb likes this.01-21-15 06:16 PMLike 1
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- Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesI might be a bit myopic here, but the armchair CEO in me likes when OS makers stay somewhat out of the telecom business.
Oh well.01-21-15 06:48 PMLike 2 - You have to keep in mind this is a carrier that posted losses in five of its last six quarters. Plus, the largest shareholder may be growing impatient for a positive ROI. They need the cash.01-21-15 07:04 PMLike 0
- Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesI hear ya, Raino. I am being selfish here. It makes sense from a Tmo point of view, and probably a Google point of view.01-21-15 07:59 PMLike 0
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And then at TMO, where they've partnered up with Apple for their Test Drive initiative. What if Apple gets pissy/vindictive (totally unheard of, I know) and somehow decides to punish TMO?barbarianthemadserb and BallRockReaper like this.01-21-15 08:17 PMLike 2 - Google is going MVNO with BOTH Tmob and Sprint. AT&T and Verizon were probably also approached but probably couldn't agree to Googles low cost structure being a threat to their own plans. I expect the phones offered with the plans will actually be future model Sprint phones that can use Tmob GSM when you choose your carrier preference on signup.barbarianthemadserb likes this.01-21-15 11:50 PMLike 1
- 5 reasons why a Google MVNO would fail - FierceWireless
I definitely agree with #5 (Hellooo Motorola,) I agree with #3 and #2. #1 is a salient point (especially with the rumors/news floating around that a phone on this theoretical MVNO would switch between networks depending on coverage) with a bad example, #4 is kinda pushing it.01-27-15 05:06 PMLike 0 - The thing is Google is already a brand. That is half the battle. Further, it has geeky fanbois that will spread the gospel. (Think back to the days when they had Gmail "invites." ) Advertising? Got that covered. Technical problems? Eh, poach employees from the big boys.
Multiple bands in phones? Not an issue with antenna tuners. (Hopefully Paratek, but there is competition.) This is something Google could accomplish. Even if the volume isn't high, if Google pays the NRE, who cares.
I'm not ruling it out. We'll except for the 3.5GHz band. Lots of nearby radar to desense the radio. Radar is really nasty stuff to filter.
Posted via CB10app_Developer and barbarianthemadserb like this.01-27-15 07:34 PMLike 2 - I'm not really surprised at this concept though.
When I went to Korea, LG there not only made phones and consumer electronics, they also run a network called LG U+ that uses CDMA / LTE.
Passport | SQW100-1/10.3.1.2072 | Globe PH01-27-15 07:41 PMLike 0 - 5 reasons why a Google MVNO would fail - FierceWireless
I definitely agree with #5 (Hellooo Motorola,) I agree with #3 and #2. #1 is a salient point (especially with the rumors/news floating around that a phone on this theoretical MVNO would switch between networks depending on coverage) with a bad example, #4 is kinda pushing it.
The product differentiator for Google will be using Google services: All Access/Youtube/Hangouts/Voice without a data penalty. Get a 1GB plan/price and effectively use 2GB and so on.01-27-15 07:47 PMLike 0 -
I stopped taking the guy seriously at this ' Even if Google did manage to cram all of the radios for both carriers into a single phone, that phone would likely be bulky and overheat often as a result' lol He then updated the article to reflect the fact the Nexus 6 already has those bands.
I'm thinking if there's constant switching between Sprint and TMO networks, that would kill the battery real fast. Overheating might be a problem too, if the phone's searching for CDMA, GSM and LTE signal. I guess the way they'd go about it would be like how roaming agreements work, except in this case, it wouldn't be roaming because they'd be switching people from one paid-for spectrum to another.
So they'd be pro-net neutrality, until it suits their purpose? That would be the final nail in "Do No Evil," I suppose.barbarianthemadserb likes this.01-27-15 08:45 PMLike 1 - Their brand doesn't necessarily encompass delivering on hardware though. They've sold Chromecasts pretty well, I suppose, but Nexus devices haven't exactly been sales records-shattering. They couldn't do much with Motorola (sold off to Lenovo,) and Nest was as big it was before Google bought them. And is it too soon to bring up Google Glass?
Yeah, that was an ill-researched claim on his end. In addition to the two recent Nexus phones, the Verizon iPhone has the necessary CDMA bands, 5-15 LTE bands, a bunch of UMTS bands, and its thickness is what it is--i.e a non-issue. Point is, it can be done.
I'm thinking if there's constant switching between Sprint and TMO networks, that would kill the battery real fast. Overheating might be a problem too, if the phone's searching for CDMA, GSM and LTE signal. I guess the way they'd go about it would be like how roaming agreements work, except in this case, it wouldn't be roaming because they'd be switching people from one paid-for spectrum to another.
So they'd be pro-net neutrality, until it suits their purpose? That would be the final nail in "Do No Evil," I suppose.
I'm with "Ment" on tying up Google services, especially bandwith hogging services.
Google bought Moto to learn the biz and to get the "moonshot" team. I don't think they wanted to be in the phone biz forever.
I've lost track of the details, but an example of doing something just to learn the business is the construction of the Rio casino. It was built by a construction company rather than a traditional gambling (er gaming) outfit. The construction firm wanted to learn the business from the inside in order to be the premier construction firm. They eventually sold the casino because that wasn't their core business. I can see Google thinking like that. I don't think they even want to be in the ISP business, but they need to kick the behinds of the traditional ISPs.
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Does roaming drain battery alot? If not the carrier switching between each other and wifi should be doable without greatly impacting the battery life of the device.raino likes this.01-28-15 11:05 AMLike 1 - They could go another way like a reward system, either with data or Gplay credits. Make it so 3rd parties could participate even though Google would be 99% of it since they aren't looking to profit directly off the MVNO.
Does roaming drain battery alot? If not the carrier switching between each other and wifi should be doable without greatly impacting the battery life of the device.
The key here is one service is lost before the hunt begins. That is different from being on Tmob and looking for another carrier. On my Z10, if I do a scan, I lose data service from Tmob.
Wifi is different since the phone is built to do wifi and cellular at the same time.
Now when you go in engineering mode, the phone has a signal strength indication on the neighboring cell, and that is done without losing the serving cell. Maybe the phone has two receivers?
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Speaking of monetizing customer information, can Google "listen in" on phone calls without violating wiretap/consent laws? I know they offer some kind of a VM transcription service for GV calls, but I'm not sure if those are used for advertising.
https://gigaom.com/2012/02/17/why-lt...ttery-that-is/barbarianthemadserb likes this.01-28-15 09:22 PMLike 1 - Interesting. I'd like to see how they would pull something off without violating net neutrality, or upping the mining of customers' data/information for monetization.
Speaking of monetizing customer information, can Google "listen in" on phone calls without violating wiretap/consent laws? I know they offer some kind of a VM transcription service for GV calls, but I'm not sure if those are used for advertising.
The phone's constantly pinging to figure out which tower to "connect" to. In the presence of LTE but absence of voLTE, this means your phone connects to a) LTE for data, and b) CDMA or UMTS for voice and texts. And if it scans every network on every frequency that the SIM card recognizes that would be a lot. Which makes me wonder if customers of MVNOs who don't have access to LTE networks see better battery life...
https://gigaom.com/2012/02/17/why-lt...ttery-that-is/barbarianthemadserb likes this.01-29-15 03:58 PMLike 1 - When you are in a fringe area now does the phone constantly ping to the roaming carrier? Perhaps Google has a learning function that plots towers in the area you frequent and puts in a roadmap so it doesn't have to constantly ping. Example your work is Tmobile but home is Sprint.
The problem IMO would be exacerbated by "home" network for the SIM card (which is how I think this is controlled) being two networks. So even in times of good coverage, the phone would be checking in with Sprint and TMO towers.barbarianthemadserb likes this.01-29-15 08:26 PMLike 1 - Wow, thanks for the thread OP. This is a very interesting and informative discussion. Thank you all responders for your thought provoking and insightful responses. This is the way all threads should read!02-17-15 04:04 AMLike 0
- As a consumer I'm all for it. Google fiber is coming to my city. Unlimited data at insane speeds for the same price I'm paying Comcast. I can't wait.
I never understood why individuals would go against their own interest to support corporations. Did you guys boost each other up to buy tanking BlackBerry shares?
Don't see how bundling services like YouTube and other Google products and excluding them from the users data cap violates net neutrality. As long as the google traffic is not given preference over other services, I don't see where there's a conflict. Google sells you data and excludes their own services from your data cap. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't violate net neutrality.
Not sure why so many folks around here have this unconditional love for BlackBerry or how it even relates to hatred for evil Google.
I crack up when I read half of the crap on this forum. It's hilarious.
Can they listen to your phone calls? Are you for real?
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