What ACTUALLY makes BB10 better?
- on BB10, and what does Chen and current BlackBerry management need to bring to make BB10 better than the competition? And I mean ACTUALLY better
Last edited by jason9900; 10-26-14 at 02:52 AM.
01-06-14 12:42 AMLike 11 - With 10.2.1 you can install almost any android app direct from a store app. I feel this integration will soon be easily available to the stock OS. Personally, I don't understand what makes iOS and Android better than BB10. I have an iPad for the large screen and Netflix; if I had to be productive on it, it would drive me insane.kronykapitalist likes this.01-06-14 01:01 AMLike 1
- With 10.2.1 you can install almost any android app direct from a store app. I feel this integration will soon be easily available to the stock OS. Personally, I don't understand what makes iOS and Android better than BB10. I have an iPad for the large screen and Netflix; if I had to be productive on it, it would drive me insane.01-06-14 01:04 AMLike 3
- Ill say this right off the bat, I am a huge believer in capitalism. I believe that the consumer is rational and makes decisions that benefits themselves. So any talk of conspiracy/NSA/marketing that stifled BB10 I tend to brush off. The reason why ios and Android are the top sellers right now is simply put; overall they are the best. They have the apps and the specs the average consumer is looking for. The reason why I chose BB10 is because I am heavy on communications. Hub and the keyboard are the ONLY things that are keeping me on BB10, besides that I would be on Android.
To me the app situation on BB10 is awful and sideloading to solve it is laughable at best.
Hardware is always a year behind.
So really it is Hub and the keyboard that is keeping me around.
My question to you is what is keeping you on BB10, and what does Chen and current BlackBerry management need to bring to make BB10 better than the competition? And I mean ACTUALLY better
For me personally: all of the above and then some. But that's just my opinion.
STL 100-1 OS 10.2.1.192501-06-14 01:08 AMLike 15 - Yes. I have but not for good trial run. (I had a NotionInk Adam.... I know, I know...) I found the widgets more effective than live tiles or active frames; but it took far to long to get around. It may sound weird, but I also found Android to be "fragile". Things shifted around, it took several taps and swipes to get what I wanted.
Setting up a friend's newer android tablet was more stable, but with so many customizations (launcher, keyboard, etc) I found it hard to get them to play nice together. I also found that many of the apps I tried to use crashed.01-06-14 01:11 AMLike 0 - "Better" is in the eye of the beholder. Fans of the windows phone platform may disagree with your statement that IOS and Android are obviously the best. Others may disagree with your feverish chase after better hardware specs in a smartphone and argue that enough to get the job done is sometimes more than enough to get the job done. Others on the forum will tell you outright that they don't care for apps and they don't very much use it. Proponents of security, BES and the similar will tell you that BB is the only true solution. President Obama's advisors as well as Angela Merkel's will entertain no other phone but BlackBerry. Then we have not even touched the arguments from the corporate and business users.
For me personally: all of the above and then some. But that's just my opinion.
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STL 100-1 OS 10.2.1.192501-06-14 01:26 AMLike 0 - Can't list them all, but I would say that when you find the ability to "sideload" is laughable, I find it innovative if that's the right word, have any other OS before bb10 been able to do this?, if not then really blackberry deserves much more credit than given.
I always wondered how an IOS device with the ability to run android apps via runtime would have been taken, I can only wonder though....
Heck just yesterday someone I considered family, bought a Z10, I warned her about the app gap a couple days back , but I also informed her on the ability to run most android apps, she then made a decision, and a damn good one to me,
I would never chose to be stuck to one ecosystem over being able to get apps from two. Before when I didn't have the choice, but now that I do.
And I agree better is in fact in the eye of the beholder.
CLICK HERE To Join My Music & Poetry Channel. Please&Thanks.01-06-14 01:26 AMLike 7 - "Better" to you might not be "better" to me..
I love the black theme, but when they took it away on the Q10, people cried and it went back to white... and people cried again and now we have a choice. And I think THAT is what makes BlackBerry 10 better. Choice. There are many choices and customizations one can make, more than iOS, but not confusingly like I think Android is.
The BlackBerry 10 virtual keyboard is "better" for me than the iOS and Android keyboards are. The Q10's keyboard is better for me than ANY other phone's keyboard. The keyboard is important to me because I use my BlackBerry for texts, BBM and email.
The BlackBerry 10 web browser is better to me than than Safari or Chrome because it loads content quickly and fully. Do I do a lot of heavy web surfing? Not really, but the fact is, I could.
The speaker on my Q10 is better than an iPhone's and even my friend's HTC One Max's.
The Hub is very quick once you've gotten accustomed to it (though I do wish it would go back to the top of the Hub by default after coming out of a specific part of the Hub, not the one you were previously in). To me iOS 7 and Android just seem like they're a few steps behind the efficiency of BlackBerry 10 in terms of quickly swiping to get to where you want to be, though I'm sure once you're used to anything, you get fast at it.
While I would love to see John Chen highlight these strengths for consumers to see, so they'd be able to enjoy BlackBerry 10 like I/we have, I just don't see that happening. All signs point to an enterprise-focused (aka whatever, consumers) plan for them. I am fine with that as long as it means BlackBerry continues to make devices that I can buy from them directly or through my carrier (though I don't think carriers will continue to carry BlackBerrys).01-06-14 01:37 AMLike 3 - I honestly don't think there is a better or best except on an individual basis. Each person should use what's best for them. For some it's android...others ios...and for me BB10!
Here are the things that keeps me with BlackBerry.
-Q10 is a beast!
-best keyboard, PERIOD!!!!
-my favorite OS
-the notification light
Posted via Q10southlander likes this.01-06-14 01:41 AMLike 1 - I agree somewhat with Jason9900 that keyboard & hub are the keys that made me come back to BB10.
I am proud to state this comment, because it truly is something we rational phone users addicted to. The last few months, I had some experience with iphone and Android phones (one with keyboard, and one without). My conclusion is same as Jason9900, in that hub and keyboard are things to keep me here.
I would add one more thing. The ability to add apps is good, but not critical, at least to myself and many BBOS users. The solidly built machine, with 99% applications already factory installed & tested, and we surely know they work as planned. I think this is one more key that makes B10 better.
BB10 is not a religion, we shall never pretend it is. It is practical then we love it, nothing else.Mozdony likes this.01-06-14 01:45 AMLike 1 - This I disagree with. If you compare bb10 with apple on a design aspect, the iphone does look really nice, but it's too fragile! For example, a good friend of mine who I work with got the iphone 5 as soon as it came out. We were both at work and he took his phone out his pocket to look at the time and as he turned the screen on his screen cracked straight down the middle from top to bottom. If iphone was years ahead in hardware why can't they make a phone that can handle a knock or two? They are patheticly breakable. Great software though don't get me wrong
Posted via CB10Brandon Tobias likes this.01-06-14 01:48 AMLike 1 - I have Android and BlackBerry household. Everyone else has iPhones. Android asks lots of questions. iPhone is everywhere, so you can always get assistance. However, it is very flexible yet somewhat limiting. Originally designed to make money, it's still doing its job because the iPhone is so proprietary. BlackBerry (running 10.2.x) does a great deal with the few apps it comes with. Now that BB10 can run lots of Android apps, it is the most versatile platform. Windows phones are useful as well. They also are designed to generate revenue (in the same manner iOS/Mac do). I like them all but I prefer BlackBerry. Simply because I need to get things done. No roadblocks or passing the time. Just productivity.
My BBZ10 Superphone STL 100-3 10.2.1.192501-06-14 01:49 AMLike 0 - I love BB10 for many reasons. I use my phone as a communication device so I don't care about apps. Don't get me wrong I download apps, but I rarely ever use them. I was rocking an HTC One which was loaded full of hundreds of games and apps, but I didn't have the time or interest to use them. Now I'm rocking an iPhone 5 and I never use it at all. Typing on it is horrible, most of the top apps bore me and I really never pay much attention to the phone. To be honest the only time I use it is when I'm calling on my Z30 and I want to check out the sports highlights or reddit.
Now my main phone is a Z30, after using a Z10 since launch and a Q10 on and off over many months. So far I'm very happy with my Z30 and I really don't need top specs just for the sake of having the top specs. I need a device that can keep up to me, that powers through the messages and lasts the entire day.
The reasons why I love BB10 are as follows:
1) The keyboard is amazing, but can definitely be better, which I hope BlackBerry keeps improving.
2) The Hub
3) Lock screen message previews and instant access with a double tap
4) Quick preview and instant reply - honestly I use this so much and it's such a time saver. Not leaving the app you are in and being able to reply instantly comes in handy so many times through out the day.
5) Sharing - By far the best sharing system on any platform and it makes other OS's look so inferior
6) The Flow of the OS - Switching from one app to another so fast and effortless and not having buttons is liberating and addicting
7) File manager - a unified place to access internal, external, cloud storage and files on your computer
8) The Browser - Fast and reader mode is amazingly useful
9) Rapidly evolving OS - I know the carrier's in the US have been complete sh!t heads but the leaks have been amazing and to see what BlackBerry has done with BB10 in less than a year is amazing. I love seeing it take leaps and bounds every few months and I can't wait to see what they add next.
I could keep listing things but you get the point. For me BB10 is an OS that I embrace and that I truly enjoy using. When it comes to the other OS's out there I'd always have to tolerate them, but never loved them. I love BB10 and that love only grows with every new version BlackBerry releases. BB10 4 Life right here!!01-06-14 01:54 AMLike 10 - Yes. I have but not for good trial run. (I had a NotionInk Adam.... I know, I know...) I found the widgets more effective than live tiles or active frames; but it took far to long to get around. It may sound weird, but I also found Android to be "fragile". Things shifted around, it took several taps and swipes to get what I wanted.01-06-14 01:55 AMLike 0
- Ill say this right off the bat, I am a huge believer in capitalism. I believe that the consumer is rational and makes decisions that benefits themselves. So any talk of conspiracy/NSA/marketing that stifled BB10 I tend to brush off. The reason why ios and Android are the top sellers right now is simply put; overall they are the best. They have the apps and the specs the average consumer is looking for. The reason why I chose BB10 is because I am heavy on communications. Hub and the keyboard are the ONLY things that are keeping me on BB10, besides that I would be on Android.
To me the app situation on BB10 is awful and sideloading to solve it is laughable at best.
Hardware is always a year behind.
So really it is Hub and the keyboard that is keeping me around.
My question to you is what is keeping you on BB10, and what does Chen and current BlackBerry management need to bring to make BB10 better than the competition? And I mean ACTUALLY better
ok as much as i appreciate you opinion and you are entitled to it..i am getting a little tired of the spec a year behind garbage... have you actually looked and compared the spec.?????
just in case you need help...BlackBerry Z10 vs Google Nexus 5 vs Apple iPhone 5s - Phone specs comparison
they are very comparable..01-06-14 02:04 AMLike 2 - Basically I have the same opinion as OP. And as I am too a believer in market focus, he will certainly understand Michael E. Porter's generic strategies.
So you can see what actual options BlackBerry has on the market. Right now you are talking about differentiation and at this point heavy communication is the only field where BlackBerry can differentiate their products.
But is that really their strategy? I'd see their chances more in a narrow scope strategy, where they concentrate on their core competences - and I think that's what they're doing right now.
Besides that they can try to achieve cost leadership in some emerging markets (Jakarta).
Posted via CB10jason9900 likes this.01-06-14 02:19 AMLike 1 - Basically I have the same opinion as OP. And as I am too a believer in market focus, he will certainly understand Michael E. Porter's generic strategies.
So you can see what actual options BlackBerry has on the market. Right now you are talking about differentiation and at this point heavy communication is the only field where BlackBerry can differentiate their products.
But is that really their strategy? I'd see their chances more in a narrow scope strategy, where they concentrate on their core competences - and I think that's what they're doing right now.
Besides that they can try to achieve cost leadership in some emerging markets (Jakarta).
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Posted via CB10Brandon Tobias likes this.01-06-14 02:25 AMLike 1 - ok as much as i appreciate you opinion and you are entitled to it..i am getting a little tired of the spec a year behind garbage... have you actually looked and compared the spec.?????
just in case you need help...BlackBerry Z10 vs Google Nexus 5 vs Apple iPhone 5s - Phone specs comparison
they are very comparable..
The Nexus 5 and the iPhone 5S are more powerful than the Z10 and even eclipse the Z30 in raw power.
The chipset in the Z10 was the exact same chipset in the Galaxy S3 from 2012. In fact, the specs are pretty similar to those in the Galaxy S3. If that isn't a year behind (compared to the 2013 flagships like the S4), I don't know what is.01-06-14 02:26 AMLike 4 - No. No they are not.
The Nexus 5 and the iPhone 5S are more powerful than the Z10 and even eclipse the Z30 in raw power.
The chipset in the Z10 was the exact same chipset in the Galaxy S3 from 2012. In fact, the specs are pretty similar to those in the Galaxy S3. If that isn't a year behind (compared to the 2013 flagships like the S4), I don't know what is.
Posted via CB10SifiGamer likes this.01-06-14 02:28 AMLike 1 - Lol, no, considering it was in the planning since 2010-2011, that's when I was told about the upcoming "BB Phablet" by a BB employee.01-06-14 04:02 AMLike 3
- No. No they are not.
The Nexus 5 and the iPhone 5S are more powerful than the Z10 and even eclipse the Z30 in raw power.
The chipset in the Z10 was the exact same chipset in the Galaxy S3 from 2012. In fact, the specs are pretty similar to those in the Galaxy S3. If that isn't a year behind (compared to the 2013 flagships like the S4), I don't know what is.
Posted via CB1001-06-14 04:12 AMLike 0 - So explain more detailed how the over simplified iOS and the laggy and resource hog Android are suprior to BB10... Yes because the App gap is gone now, and even if it wasn't, the quality of a OS is not measure by apps, you can have an amazing OS that simply hasn't been embraced by developers...01-06-14 04:21 AMLike 2
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