[sentano]

Hi all,
Can anybody tell whichz10 model woks on the wind mobile network? I've looked thru the specs of the different models, but it's difficult to figure out.
Help is greatly appreciated!

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http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...2/#post7969904

[Silkyfresh]

My friend unlocked a BlackBerry Z10 from Telus and then ported over to Wind with no problems.

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[sentano]

Since asking the question I did some research (deeper thru the available models and frequency requirements) and this is what I came up with as the best fit...

"STL100-3 (Two Models: RFK121LW & RFF91LW) - Slight different in Tri-Band HSDPA+ Frequency.

RFK121LW

• Quad-band LTE support: LTE 700, LTE 850, LTE 1700, LTE 1900 MHz band
• Quad-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 800/UMTS 850, UMTS 1700, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100 MHz
band
• Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
• Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
(GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
3 (UMTS, LTE)
• Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, UMTS 824 to 849 MHz, UMTS 1710 to 1755 MHz, UMTS 1850 to 1910
MHz, UMTS 1920 to 1980 MHz, LTE 704 to 716 MHz, LTE 824 to 849 MHz, LTE 1850 to 1910
MHz, LTE 1710 to 1755 MHz
• Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 869 to 894 MHz, UMTS 1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2155
MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2170 MHz, LTE 734 to 746 MHz, LTE 869 to 894 MHz, LTE 1930 to 1990
MHz, LTE 2110 to 2155 MHz"
the RFF91LW will work too, but it is only tri band in HSDPA+

[Silverfern]

so how will the 91 version work on wind since it doesnt have 1700 compared to 121 version, and wind needs 1700

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[matthewgreyling]

If you read the other thread, it just works. I have one, and did it successfully. No issues, no roaming.

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[Silverfern]

i know it works, i am on the other threads too, but i am curious as to why it works.

also you are using the version 91 right? from koodo?

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[matthewgreyling]

Telus. I have no idea why, spec sheet might be wrong

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[Silverfern]

Telus and koodo has same version right? also they are willing to sell it straight out without contract?

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Telus. I have no idea why, spec sheet might be wrong

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That's my guess.

[Silverfern]

i just called koodo, they said they are not selling the z10 out of contract, so where are people getting their phones?

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[sentano]

as far as I figured it out, the roaming is limited on the 91 compared to the 121...

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as far as I figured it out, the roaming is limited on the 91 compared to the 121...

What do you mean "limited".

[sentano]

having more frequency bands, the 121 is able to roam with a greater "selection" of partner carriers. It may not mean a whole lot, given that Wind has agreement with Rogers and Tellus as far as I 'm aware of (please correct me if I'm wrong). But if one travels abroad, it gives more options, either with straight roaming, or getting a local sim card (sometimes is way cheaper to get a sim)

[Silverfern]

well if you go states you can always roam on tmobile. i am guessing most people try to use wifi when they are abroad

[sentano]

yep...you're right. T-Mobile uses the same bands as Wind (AWS), but if one ends up where's no AWS yet, the 121 offers more options. Anyway, both models are better than the Torch I have right now...the one with AWS is very limited in available bands.

[Silverfern]

problem is i am still trying to figure out why exactly the 91 works on wind before i go and seriously try to make koodo sell me one

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[sentano]

it's a rather long answer, but this is the info I manage to dig up searching for the right device to use on wind...
STL100-1

STL100-2

STL100-3

STL100-4

STL100-1 (Model: RFG81UW)

Mobile network radio specifications:
• Quad-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 850, UMTS 900, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100 MHz band
• Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
• Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
(GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
3 (UMTS)
• Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, IMT 1920 to 1980 MHz
• Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
1930 to 1990 MHz, IMT 2110 to 2170 MHz

STL100-2 (Model: RFH121LW)

Mobile network radio specifications:
• Quad-band LTE support: LTE 800, LTE 900, LTE 1800, LTE 2600 MHz
• Tri-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 850, UMTS 900, UMTS 2100 MHz band
• Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
• Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
(GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
3 (UMTS, LTE)
• Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, IMT 1920 to 1980 MHz, LTE 832 to 862 MHz, LTE 2500 to 2570 MHz
• Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
1930 to 1990 MHz, IMT 2110 to 2170 MHz, LTE 791 to 821 MHz, LTE 2620 to 2690 MHz

STL100-3 (Two Models: RFK121LW & RFF91LW) - Slight different in Tri-Band HSDPA+ Frequency.

RFK121LW

• Quad-band LTE support: LTE 700, LTE 850, LTE 1700, LTE 1900 MHz band
• Quad-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 800/UMTS 850, UMTS 1700, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100 MHz
band
• Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
• Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
(GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
3 (UMTS, LTE)
• Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, UMTS 824 to 849 MHz, UMTS 1710 to 1755 MHz, UMTS 1850 to 1910
MHz, UMTS 1920 to 1980 MHz, LTE 704 to 716 MHz, LTE 824 to 849 MHz, LTE 1850 to 1910
MHz, LTE 1710 to 1755 MHz
• Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 869 to 894 MHz, UMTS 1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2155
MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2170 MHz, LTE 734 to 746 MHz, LTE 869 to 894 MHz, LTE 1930 to 1990
MHz, LTE 2110 to 2155 MHz

RFF91LW:

• Quad-band LTE support: LTE 700, LTE 850, LTE 1700, LTE 1900 MHz band
• Tri-band HSPA+ support: UMTS 800/UMTS 850, UMTS 1900, UMTS 2100 MHz band
• Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
• Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
(GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
3 (UMTS, LTE)
• Transmitting frequency: GSM 824 to 849 MHz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz, UMTS 824 to 849 MHz, UMTS 1850 to 1910 MHz, UMTS 1920 to 1980
MHz, LTE 704 to 716 MHz, LTE 824 to 849 MHz, LTE 1850 to 1910 MHz, LTE 1710 to 1755 MHz
• Receiving frequency: GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz, PCS
1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 869 to 894 MHz, UMTS 1930 to 1990 MHz, UMTS 2110 to 2170
MHz, LTE 734 to 746 MHz, LTE 869 to 894 MHz, LTE 1930 to 1990 MHz, LTE 2110 to 2155 MHz

STL100-4 (Model: RFA91LW)

• Single-band LTE support: LTE 700 MHz
• Dual-band CDMA support: Cell band 800, PCS 1900 MHz
• Dual-band UMTS support: UMTS 900, UMTS 2100 MHz
• Quad-band GSM support: GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900 MHz
• Power class: Class 1 (DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class 4 (GSM 850) as defined in GSM 5.05, Class 4
(GSM 900) as defined in GSM 02.06, Class E2 (GSM 850, GSM 900, DCS 1800, PCS 1900), Class
3 (UMTS, LTE, CDMA Cell band 850), Class 2 (CDMA PCS band 1900)
• Transmitting frequency: LTE 777 to 787 MHz, CDMA 824 to 849 MHz, UMTS 880 to 915 MHz,
UMTS 1920 to 1980 MHz, GSM 824 to 849 Mz, GSM 880 to 915 MHz, DCS 1710 to 1785 MHz,
PCS 1850 to 1910 MHz
• Receiving frequency: LTE 746 to 756 MHz, CDMA 869 to 894 MHz, UMTS 925 to 960 MHz,
UMTS 2110 to 2170 MHz, GSM 869 to 894 MHz, GSM 925 to 960 MHz, DCS 1805 to 1880 MHz,
PCS 1930 to 1990 MHz
...according to the site I got this, these are all z10 models and sub models...

[Silverfern]

yes we know these, but the problem still remains, we know for a fact that the stl-100-3 version 91 works on wind, but why? theoretically it does not have the 1700 frequency needed for hspa, thus only the 121 version should work.

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[sentano]

it has to run on LTE1700...

[Silverfern]

but arent those different protocols? like physically different or something

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[sentano]

yes, they are different.
HSPA+ is more like a 3.5G, LTE is closer to 4G, some say only LTE advanced is thru 4G...it doesn't really matter for my personal speed requirements.
More important is that HSPA+ has better coverage the LTE (at least as of right now), but the grid is evolving and improving pretty fast.

[Silverfern]

yes so since they are diff how does the 91 version work? i dont think diff protocol can be cross used

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[sentano]

no,, the protocols can't be "crossed"...but they run both to have better coverage...that's why the connection speed isn't always the same. They always mention in the "fine print": speed is subject to network coverage and capability...
Personally I don't think it makes a difference if I get an email in 2.3 seconds or 3.5 seconds, or a website loads 0.5 seconds faster...but that's just me...

[Silverfern]

i dont mind between 3G and 3.5G or 4G either, but i need to know it can at least perform in 3G. Edge is just too slow

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