- So there is video surfacing now of a pb being rooted using what will be called the Dingleberry Tool. What do you guys think about it?
Me personally, I think it is a terrible thing. Rim prides itself on being the gold standard of security. I am very confident that Rim will patch up the exploit once the Dingleberry tool is released, but this still rattled my confidence in the pb and bbx security.11-29-11 02:42 AMLike 2 - I think someone should explain what it is exactly- for general consumption.jamesbondOO7 likes this.11-29-11 02:46 AMLike 1
- It's a definite good thing. We get fun new tools, albeit potentially for only the time between patches, and RIM gains visibility into an open vulnerability. Win-win.iLovemy_bb likes this.11-29-11 03:04 AMLike 1
- I'm more interested in whether the bootloader or equivalent is signed or locked. It's very far fetched, but android ports anyone?!iLovemy_bb likes this.11-29-11 03:07 AMLike 1
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It can be as simple as using the charging LED like shown in the video. Having root may allow you to install a twitter app that uses the charge LED for notifications.11-29-11 07:34 AMLike 0 -
This basically should give people unrestricted access to most of the files on the system, letting them explore and learn. The more technical types will probably spend some time experimenting with things they haven't had access to yet, and the craziest ones will be seen jury-rigging various unlikely things to work, similar to the DOSBox stuff bug probably more unexpected and novel. Good for getting attention as having done a "cool hack".
The bootloader is almost certainly still fully secured, and it seems unlikely that RIM will be unable to patch the problem. That could mean that once the next update comes out, it will basically overwrite the hack and remove it from the system, simultaneously plugging the hole to prevent the same technique from being used to restore root access. In that case you could, of course, simply not apply the update, but I think given the choice between a hacked 1.0.8 or 2.0 beta device, and a non-hacked unit with the 2.0 release on it, I know which most people are going to choose.
It's also possible they'll have found a way to let the hack actually survive even an update which has changes focused on plugging the hole. If so, kudos to them for a pretty slick move. Time will tell.11-29-11 10:11 AMLike 4 - 11-29-11 10:15 AMLike 0
- This is exciting. It can open a whole new world for the end user and developers. You may be able to do a whole lot more with your playbook (without appworld). If it can be made as easy as jailbreaking apple it will be AWWWWWwwwwwSOMMMMMmmmme. No more waiting on rim. Yipppeee
Keeping my fingers crossed.Megacharge and iLovemy_bb like this.11-29-11 06:16 PMLike 2 - This is exciting. It can open a whole new world for the end user and developers. You may be able to do a whole lot more with your playbook (without appworld). If it can be made as easy as jailbreaking apple it will be AWWWWWwwwwwSOMMMMMmmmme. No more waiting on rim. Yipppeee
Keeping my fingers crossed.iLovemy_bb likes this.11-29-11 06:21 PMLike 1 - I'm not a QNX know it all but IIRC QNX OS is not a single big kernel like Windows where once you hack it you have access to pretty much everything, but is many small Kernels doing different things for the whole. Basically what I think they have accomplished with root is access to the boot-loader and "non-secure" parts of the OS. I don't think they have access to the most secure parts of the OS where encrypted data or core parts of the OS could be hacked or manipulated. At least that's how I understand it at this point.
So while it's been rooted, from my understanding, "which could be wrong of course" it hasn't been hacked to any degree of danger to the most important and secure kernels of the OS.Last edited by Megacharge; 11-29-11 at 06:29 PM.
11-29-11 06:24 PMLike 2 - It is very exciting!!!! Piracy ? Good grief man. It will open up soooo much more with this thing.
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11-29-11 06:27 PMLike 0 - Um, dingleberries are NOT for generation consumption!
This basically should give people unrestricted access to most of the files on the system, letting them explore and learn. The more technical types will probably spend some time experimenting with things they haven't had access to yet, and the craziest ones will be seen jury-rigging various unlikely things to work, similar to the DOSBox stuff bug probably more unexpected and novel. Good for getting attention as having done a "cool hack".
The bootloader is almost certainly still fully secured, and it seems unlikely that RIM will be unable to patch the problem. That could mean that once the next update comes out, it will basically overwrite the hack and remove it from the system, simultaneously plugging the hole to prevent the same technique from being used to restore root access. In that case you could, of course, simply not apply the update, but I think given the choice between a hacked 1.0.8 or 2.0 beta device, and a non-hacked unit with the 2.0 release on it, I know which most people are going to choose.
It's also possible they'll have found a way to let the hack actually survive even an update which has changes focused on plugging the hole. If so, kudos to them for a pretty slick move. Time will tell.
Well cydia has worked fabulous on my i(unmentionable). I hope it works out like that.
With each update to ios there is a new version of cydia. We shall see.11-29-11 06:45 PMLike 0 - I'm not a QNX know it all but IIRC QNX OS is not a single big kernel like Windows where once you hack it you have access to pretty much everything, but is many small Kernels doing different things for the whole. Basically what I think they have accomplished with root is access to the boot-loader and "non-secure" parts of the OS. I don't think they have access to the most secure parts of the OS where encrypted data or core parts of the OS could be hacked or manipulated. At least that's how I understand it at this point.
So while it's been rooted, from my understanding, "which could be wrong of course" it hasn't been hacked to any degree of danger to the most important and secure kernels of the OS.11-29-11 06:49 PMLike 5 - If you mean by "rooting" jailbreaking, then I have no use for it. To me, it's like downloading the Beta OS, and then have over a thousand posts devoted to your missing icons, or the wi-fi blows, or my keyboard doesn't clic, or I can't synch with DM, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Jailbreaking iPhones and iPads is chronic in the Apple community, and glancing over the posts of the moans and groans of how their iPads or iPhones now don't function right, or they can't get the lates iOS without losing their jailbreak, or I'm under the extended warranty with replacement plan and the Apple store told me to take a very long walk off a short pier because my busted phone is jailbroken, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.....
So, what do I think, not much at all....rooting is for pigs looking for truffles.Last edited by alnamvet68; 11-29-11 at 07:01 PM.
jojolox929 and hackerguy like this.11-29-11 06:55 PMLike 2 - Calling the sideloading of DOSBox a bug is ummm......
I love that it got rooted because due to QNX's nature, everything is still secure...
Someone please use this opportunity to create a dock... Would be perfect for my poor little 64gb PB of love...Megacharge likes this.11-29-11 06:57 PMLike 1 - QNX has a single microkernel. Processes run self contained. The some processes may be programmed to interact with others with this being done according to a priority stack but a root would probably only have limited access to the microkernel and no access at all to any other process or processes. There is a reason critical systems like nuke plants use QNX. We've never had a QNX expert post to this forum. I would love it if they would.
This basically is a win win for everyone.11-29-11 07:00 PMLike 0 - If you mean by "rooting" jailbreaking, then I have no use for it. To me, it's like downloading the Beta OS, and then have over a thousand posts devoted to your missing icons, or the wi-fi blows, or my keyboard doesn't clic, or I can't synch with DM, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Jailbreaking iPhones and iPads is chronic in the Apple community, and glancing over the posts of the moans and groans of how their iPads or iPhones now don't function right, or they can't get the lates iOS without losing their jailbreak, or I'm under the extended warranty with replacement plan and the Apple store told me to take a very long walk off a short pier because my busted phone is jailbroken, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.....
So, what do I think, not much at all....rooting is for pigs looking for truffles.11-29-11 07:09 PMLike 0 -
- Agreed. Who hasn't hacked or modified something? Its not without some element of risk .Megacharge and johnmarki like this.11-29-11 07:26 PMLike 2
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I'm sure rim will patch this though and if its a choice of staying on .08 or updating to 2 and losing root, im not sure what i'd choose. I don't need native pim stuff, so thats no big draw for me and everything works right now. We'll see i suppose11-29-11 08:36 PMLike 0
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