- amazinglygracelessRetired ModOfficial OS = Tested and released by carriers
Hybrid OS = Created from a hodgepodge of other OSs for usually ridiculous reasons.
The real question should be do you want to trust your phone and data to a
professionally tested OS or one the was cobbled together by someone who
may or may not know what they are doing?
I avoid hybrid OSs like the plague.05-08-10 02:43 PMLike 0 -
- Official OS = Tested and released by carriers
Hybrid OS = Created from a hodgepodge of other OSs for usually ridiculous reasons.
The real question should be do you want to trust your phone and data to a
professionally tested OS or one the was cobbled together by someone who
may or may not know what they are doing?
I avoid hybrid OSs like the plague.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com05-08-10 03:00 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired ModFirst of all get a few things in your head:
1) Most memory leaks are not meory leaks. The ones that are have more to do with
one or more applications than it does the OS.
2) I defy you to show me anywhere where a hybrider presented truly empirical
and verifiable evidence that their "Franken-OS" provides better battery life. They
don't because they can't. Full Stop.
3) Additionally there is no evidence to support that a hybrid OS provides better
browser speed. No, people posting here don't count. Most are either parroting
what others have said or reporting a mistaken perception.
As to the safety of the phone I'd much more trust it to the carrier. If the OS
screws up my phone the carrier will fix or replace it. Will a hybrider do that for
you? Right, didn't think so. And how much help will your carrier be when they
ask what OS do you have and you say "well it is a hybrid using .xxx as a base
with the radio from .yyy and elements from .zzz, .aaa, .fff. Get used to the sound
of a dial tone.05-08-10 03:16 PMLike 0 - What AG is exactly the reason why people are so ignorant about hybrids. There is such a small chance of error for messing up your phone that's it practically none. The "professional" made OS's are usually made wrong, and have a ton of errors, and that's what hybrids are there for.
Take in example .566 for the 9700. The OS had a bad media app, SMS issues, and the application switcher got messed up frequently. Now why would any "professional" make that error. Worst part about it was that it was released officially by carriers, who obviously did not test it and proves my point that there will be errors made by "professionals". Nothing is perfect, not even hybrids.Last edited by PwnCakes193; 05-08-10 at 03:20 PM.
05-08-10 03:17 PMLike 0 - What AG is exactly the reason why people are so ignorant about hybrids. There is such a small chance of error for messing up your phone that's it practically none. The "professional" made OS's are usually made wrong, and have a ton of errors, and that's what hybrids are there for.
Take in example .566 for the 9700. The OS had a bad media app, SMS issues, and the application switcher got messed up frequently. Now why would any "professional" make that error. Worst part about it was that it was released officially by carriers, who obviously did not test it and proves my point that there will be errors made by "professionals". Nothing is perfect, not even hybrids.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com05-08-10 03:24 PMLike 0 - even if a hybrid does mess up your phone can't you just revert back to the carrier os ? see if that fixes the issue.. if not then call the carrier? then how would they know you had it on there, keeping your warranty in effect.. jail breaking an i-Phone voids the warranty on those phones but if you sync it with i-tunes it de-jail breakafies it right ?.. thus they never knew it "was" jail broken.. keeping the warranty in effect.... correct me if i'm wrong ?
I personally would rather stick to carrier OS's even if it's not my carrier im with sprint on VZW's .508 OS.... never used a hybrid, nor care to..Last edited by fedge; 05-08-10 at 03:34 PM.
05-08-10 03:32 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired ModWhat AG is exactly the reason why people are so ignorant about hybrids. There is such a small chance of error for messing up your phone that's it practically none. The "professional" made OS's are usually made wrong, and have a ton of errors, and that's what hybrids are there for.
Take in example .566 for the 9700. The OS had a bad media app, SMS issues, and the application switcher got messed up frequently. Now why would any "professional" make that error. Worst part about it was that it was released officially by carriers, who obviously did not test it and proves my point that there will be errors made by "professionals". Nothing is perfect, not even hybrids.
walking.
If the stuff the hybriders put out was as good as purported there would, as
I said, be empirical and verifiable evidence to support that. The onus is on
the hybriders to do so and not one has. Wonder why?
You can debase the "professionals" as much as you like but I need my phone
to work, for personal and professional reasons, so I will not be trusting it
to amateurs. The true ignorance come in the form of people who buy into
the belief that hybriders got it right when no one else could. That is rich.
Small chance does not mean no chance. If I load your hybrid and it bricks
my phone are you going to provide me support and if all else fails buy me a
new one. NO YOU AND THE REST WILL NOT!! You will just fall back on your
"proceed at your own risk" warning. The "professionals" will at least make it right.
Also, through 5 BlackBerrys (8100, 8310, 9000, 8900, 9700) and a ton of OSs, I have yet to load
an official OS that ever "broke" anything. The majority of the reports that an OS
did are quite frankly user error which opened the door for the kitchen table OSs.05-08-10 03:38 PMLike 0 - even if a hybrid does mess up your phone can't you just revert back to the carrier os ? see if that fixes the issue.. if not then call the carrier? then how would they know you had it on there, keeping your warranty in effect.. jail breaking an i-Phone voids the warranty on those phones but if you sync it with i-tunes it de-jail breakafies it right ?.. thus they never knew it "was" jail broken.. keeping the warranty in effect.... correct me if i'm wrong ?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com05-08-10 03:39 PMLike 0 - If you are trying to sell me on the efficacy of hybrids you can tell your story
walking.
If the stuff the hybriders put out was as good as purported there would, as
I said, be empirical and verifiable evidence to support that.
You can debase the "professionals" as much as you like but I need my phone
to work, for personal and professional reasons, so I will not be trusting it
to amateurs. The true ignorance come in the form of people who buy into the belief that hybriders got it right when no one else could. That is rich.
Small chance does not mean no chance. If I load your hybrid and it bricks
my phone are you going to provide me support and if all else fails buy me a
new one. NO YOU AND THE REST WILL NOT!! You will just fall back on your
"proceed at your own risk" warning. The "professionals" will at least make it right.
And if you ask anyone who has tried my hybrids, I have given immediate and full support. I do everything in my power to help them out. I probably won't be able to get you a new phone, but some sweet talk to a carrier will.
I'm not saying that I got it right when nobody else could, I'm just saying that we try to fix issues and we try to make everything a little better. I can't fix the whole SMS threading issue, I can't fix the browser speed, I can't fix messed up phone screens, I just try to make everything a little bit more liveable.
And for calling an entire group of people on these forums ignorant you should be stripped of your moderator status. Just sayin'05-08-10 03:51 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired Modlugman: A better idea is to work through what your issues are and fix those within
the OS you have. Trust me on this, hybrids are far from a silver bullet and you will
be better off from going through the steps of diagnostics.05-08-10 03:52 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired ModI had to replace my 9000 7 times due to those "professionally" made OS's. They refused to start booting and would sometimes disconnect me off of the network at random time. 7 different phones. What a coincidence right? ATT would not help me either, so good luck there.
And if you ask anyone who has tried my hybrids, I have given immediate and full support. I do everything in my power to help them out. I probably won't be able to get you a new phone, but some sweet talk to a carrier will.
I'm not saying that I got it right when nobody else could, I'm just saying that we try to fix issues and we try to make everything a little better. I can't fix the whole SMS threading issue, I can't fix the browser speed, I can't fix messed up phone screens, I just try to make everything a little bit more liveable.
And for calling an entire group of people on these forums ignorant you should be stripped of your moderator status. Just sayin'
umbrage where none is warranted. I did not call anyone ignorant, I called
the faith in the "work" of hybriders ignorant. Got it.
Bottom line, I have had to fix more phones with hybrid OSs than I can count.
That experience alone tells me all I need to know. You can give it up because
there is absolutely NOTHING you can say that will make me move off my
position that hybrids are, there is no charitable way to say this, so I'll leave
it to your imagination.05-08-10 04:01 PMLike 0 - Hmm, I thought Blackberries were nearly impossible to brick?
So for example, how would one fix a Bluetooth low volume issue that appears for multiple people, with the same OS. I mean, i know a hybrid can fix it but I want to try to "work through what your issues are and fix those within
the OS you have".05-08-10 04:10 PMLike 0 - by the way, lets not put too much faith in carriers here...
RIM: UAE Carrier's Blackberry Update Was Spyware - PCWorld Business Center05-08-10 04:19 PMLike 0 - Quoted: "by the way, lets not put too much faith in carriers here..."
Good point, Blacklac. Hybrid=innovation in my book. Wouldn't have cell phones without innovation05-08-10 04:24 PMLike 0 - Haha wow amazinglygraceless, In ur experience of "fixing" bricked phones with hybrids have u come across downgrading to the last official OS of the carrier and if it doesn't detect your phone removing the battery and plugging the usb in? If u tried that then there shouldn't be an issue. Maybe u should admire what people know for once and apparently I just proved u wrong there. i'm not trying to be mean or anything, its just that your ignorance is getting back at u. But all in all, bricked phones can be fixed and hybrids are the best OSes because they take the best parts of the original OS and put it into one OS. Yes there not supported by your carrier and RIM but there's always a way around everything. And btw there are professional hybriders like Willboy but I do my research and checkout the reviews before I upgrade to an OS. So I think I should be fine now
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com05-08-10 05:17 PMLike 0 - amazinglygracelessRetired ModHaha wow amazinglygraceless, In ur experience of "fixing" bricked phones with hybrids have u come across downgrading to the last official OS of the carrier and if it doesn't detect your phone removing the battery and plugging the usb in? If u tried that then there shouldn't be an issue. Maybe u should admire what people know for once and apparently I just proved u wrong there. i'm not trying to be mean or anything, its just that your ignorance is getting back at u. But all in all, bricked phones can be fixed and hybrids are the best OSes because they take the best parts of the original OS and put it into one OS. Yes there not supported by your carrier and RIM but there's always a way around everything.
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simply inherited more problems than they had to begin with.
If your assumption is these were my own phones then you haven't been
paying attention.
What I have always found is that once the problem that led a person to
load a hybrid was explained, loading an official OS and working through the
basic corrective steps always rendered an better user experience.
If you wish to call that ignorance, fine but seeing as you are the one who
posted a thread admittedly not knowing the difference between a hybrid and
an official OS I'd have to say that you have proved nothing of merit.
Especially that in less than three pages you are speaking as an expert
on the matter of hybrids.
Do what you wish, it is your phone. We will be here to help when you
run into problems.05-08-10 05:26 PMLike 0 - We should correct that. We will be here for you IF you run into problems, which shouldn't be more than the regular OS05-08-10 05:30 PMLike 0
- This is a great argument LOL!
I'm on PC's side, quality hybrids are tested by the hybrid community, any issues are worked on after feedback to the hybrid creator in the appropriate forums (crackberry, driphter.com, bbhybrids.net, to name a few).
I love hybrids, a much better alternative than the official releases. On the 8520 the official OS releases are riddles with bugs, on the latest hybrid (thanks to PwnCakes) I haven't had an issue yet.
-judge a tree by it's fruit I say-
Also I love messing around with gadgets anyways, I bricked my bb many times LOL, but it's to easy to wipe, reset and reload.
It's the guys with the level of OS understanding like the Hybrid makers & users that help other users with solving their issues.
Anyway... Hybrids all the way05-08-10 06:35 PMLike 0 - Quoted: This is a great argument LOL!
I'm on PC's side, quality hybrids are tested by the hybrid community, any issues are worked on after feedback to the hybrid creator in the appropriate forums (crackberry, driphter.com, bbhybrids.net, to name a few).
I love hybrids, a much better alternative than the official releases. On the 8520 the official OS releases are riddles with bugs, on the latest hybrid (thanks to PwnCakes) I haven't had an issue yet.
-judge a tree by it's fruit I say-
Also I love messing around with gadgets anyways, I bricked my bb many times LOL, but it's to easy to wipe, reset and reload.
It's the guys with the level of OS understanding like the Hybrid makers & users that help other users with solving their issues.
Anyway... Hybrids all the way
I concur wholeheartedly05-08-10 07:04 PMLike 0
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