Dan Hesse (Sprint) vs. Mike Lazardis (RIM)
- I want to compare the thoughts and ideas of two CEOs. One (Dan Hesse) believes that data consumption on smartphones will definitely increase and is making plans for it.@CTIA: Hesse, Morrow detail 4G revolution - RCR Wireless News Another (Mike Lazaridis) want manufacturers to limit data usage. RIM’s Mike Lazaridis wants manufacturers to limit your data usage � Boy Genius Report
Am I the only one thinking that Mike is way out of touch with the way consumers are using and want to use their phone? Sprint just announced the first 4G smartphone with incredible specs(8 megapixel camera, 1ghz processor, etc) and RIM is still trying to figure out whether to name the 9650 the Tour 2 or the Bold. Wake up RIM and start smelling the coffee, because the pot is boiling over! That is all.Last edited by TreeFicus; 03-24-10 at 03:55 PM.
03-24-10 02:26 PMLike 0 - No, you aren't... if it was up to Mike the current BBs would still be pagers.
Mike to me doesn't even look the part of "current tech". When I look at him I get this... "Copier Salesman" type view of him. lol03-24-10 03:50 PMLike 0 - So because of this... and because RIM is a Canadian company, all people around the world should be subject to RIM's way of thinking... No, the carriers in Canada need to get off their penny pinching asses and open up their networks. You guys can't be that far behind up there... geez!03-24-10 04:28 PMLike 0
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- I do love my blackberry, however my eyes are starting to wander when I see specs like 8mp cams, 1ghz processors, plenty of on board memory, etc. The comments from
Mike Lazardis are not encouraging at all. Could you imagine the CEO of one of the computer manufacturers making a comment like that? I wonder if he has an 8 track player in his car lol03-24-10 04:50 PMLike 0 - So because of this... and because RIM is a Canadian company, all people around the world should be subject to RIM's way of thinking... No, the carriers in Canada need to get off their penny pinching asses and open up their networks. You guys can't be that far behind up there... geez!
Besides, we've already been through this. I'm just tired of people always assuming everyone has an unlimited data plan, because capped data plans throw your entire argument against Mike out the window. Now, you could acknowledge the fact that some people benefit from bandwidth efficiency, or you could act in denial and say that, as a country, we should "catch up" and jump on the unlimited bandwidth bandwagon. In other words, we should become just like you... Of course you wouldn't say hypocritical like that now, would you?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com03-24-10 05:10 PMLike 0 - BrantaRetired Network ModHahaha. What, so RIM's some tyrannical regime now? Come on...
Besides, we've already been through this. I'm just tired of people always assuming everyone has an unlimited data plan, because capped data plans throw your entire argument against Mike out the window. Now, you could acknowledge the fact that some people benefit from bandwidth efficiency, or you could act in denial and say that, as a country, we should "catch up" and jump on the unlimited bandwidth bandwagon.
What next to bring the downfall of 4G? Any advance on High Definition 2-way realtime video calling with stereo sound requiring multi Gigabit data bandwidth during a call? Virtual reality connections? Whatever it is, you can be sure new concepts will saturate 4G (and 5G) every bit as fast as previous un-anticipated usages have saturated every other communications technology since Bell and Marconi.03-24-10 08:09 PMLike 0 -
- Hahaha. What, so RIM's some tyrannical regime now? Come on...
Besides, we've already been through this. I'm just tired of people always assuming everyone has an unlimited data plan, because capped data plans throw your entire argument against Mike out the window. Now, you could acknowledge the fact that some people benefit from bandwidth efficiency, or you could act in denial and say that, as a country, we should "catch up" and jump on the unlimited bandwidth bandwagon. In other words, we should become just like you... Of course you wouldn't say hypocritical like that now, would you?
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That the problem with you guys up there... you never learn. You can't pussyfoot all around an issue and make the other guy feel good when they have a crappy resource you depend upon. Frack man, I tell you what... your broadband connection is too fast at your house and work. Let's pull that away and put you back on a 14.4 modem... no, you can't get a 28.8 beyotch... deal with it. See how much you can get done with that!
Do me a favor... STOP SHOOTING YOURSELVES IN THE FOOT!!!! Stop asking carriers to not upgrade their networks and not advance technology.... maybe at Mike's pace we'll start exploring space like... never. God I hate old people and their way of thinking.03-24-10 09:52 PMLike 0 - Haha. I'll take that as a compliment. The rest of your bigoted post is not worth a response.
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03-25-10 02:34 AMLike 0 - Data bandwidth is not a *right* or an *entitlement*..
You all need to stop confusing two distinct and separate things.....
1. The CEO of RIM is a moron of he believes data consumption will ever slow its growth.
2. The USA is one of the VERY FEW places in the world with unlimited data plans for wireless..
So even #1 should know #2 and from a business perspective RIM can simply go make GSM phones with old technology and service the non-USA market... who cares??... the market will take care of itself.03-25-10 07:15 AMLike 0 - .....Its old traditional thinking like RIM that will. Stunt the world. Kinda like that old lady that doesn't even wanna try to deal with a touch tone phone. The person that will hold tight to their razr for 700 years without opening their mind to anything else..
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com03-25-10 07:27 AMLike 0 - Using bandwidth efficiently isn't a restriction on what you do and neither is it a bad thing even with an uncapped data, at worst you are no worse off than before and at best you have saved time.
As far as Mike Lazaridis, he's clearly not a moron nor did he say that he expects people's usage to decrease, his point is that you can slow the rate of increase of usage by doing things more efficiently thats all.
Incidentally, even the sprint guy thinks they will charge by the gb in the future:
Sprint CEO: We're Moving From Voice Minutes To Gigabytes Used - Et tu, Hesse? - dslreports.com03-25-10 06:40 PMLike 0 - Not that I believe this is Mike's motivation, but phone apps are clearly evolving to data hungry SUV status. We become increasingly reliant upon apps designed without a thought for data conservation then WHAM...the price of gas goes to $4.75 a gallon (meaning the carriers all change their pricing). At that point, because we can't imagine life without our SUV applications, we just bend over and hope its over quickly.
The US carriers like to be competitive. "Competitive" is a double edge sword. They'll point to other countries' pricing and say they can't sustain their unlimited ways and the change puts them in line (competitive) with their foreign peers. At that point, we'll all wish we listened to Mike.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com03-30-10 04:29 PMLike 0 - So because of this... and because RIM is a Canadian company, all people around the world should be subject to RIM's way of thinking... No, the carriers in Canada need to get off their penny pinching asses and open up their networks. You guys can't be that far behind up there... geez!
"Don't be nieve" and assume we in canada want limited plans or are ok with the IDEA. That's foolish and beneath your usual thought provoking speculations.
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03-30-10 04:55 PMLike 0 -
- Civic, I thought you were all excited about CEO's dictating industry. You were super jazzed with Jobs flexing muscle to force HTML5 on everyone. You are lacking consistency angry civic. If I recognize the pattern I am about to be told I just don't understand what you meant...followed by the new tangent...03-30-10 08:50 PMLike 0
- I think that the amount of data that mobile devices use is going to increase exponentially before long. Think about it, when smartphones first came out, it was basically for email. Now you have all sorts of apps, social networks, video services, internet radio streaming services and what not. I think that RIM asking carriers to limit heavy users is just their way of saying their infrastructure is not meant to handle these ever increasing bandwidth demands and they don't plan on doing anything to increase their potential ability to do so. Hence, they mention they fact that they are able to provide data services with substantially less data.
We have to pay the carriers ridiculous amounts of money for data as is so I think that we should get our money's worth. I don't think that the mobile industry is going to suddenly start moving toward less data bandwidth usage. I say keep increasing the infrastructure and let massive bandwidth consumption continue. I would like to view HD quality video on the go and listen to all the music I want03-30-10 09:32 PMLike 0 - Civic, I thought you were all excited about CEO's dictating industry. You were super jazzed with Jobs flexing muscle to force HTML5 on everyone. You are lacking consistency angry civic. If I recognize the pattern I am about to be told I just don't understand what you meant...followed by the new tangent...03-30-10 10:24 PMLike 0
- I just want better tech and at a faster pace. The quicker, the better, the sooner the future will develop.
As for Mike Lazardis. I completely disagree with what he said about bandwidth and the fact that that a CEO talked about this and saying that people need to conserver bandwidth. All he did is show the direction of where BlackBerry is heading which appears to be backwards. We are now seeing phones with 4G technology and BlackBerrys can hardly even take advantage of 3G technology.03-30-10 11:05 PMLike 0 - That's not what he said, BGR is just being sensational.
You can view the keynote yourself:
In the first part he talks about the capacity crunch and emphasizing the BlackBerry efficient use of bandwidth. In the end of the second part he mentions that the industry needs to work together with: the right incentives, the right standards, and the right investments.
Now, I can see how someone might latch on "incentives" but this is said in Europe in front of global carriers. It does not mean capping unlimited US based plans. It may well be a way of saying that carriers should promote BlackBerry usage more.
With that said, I personally have doubts about RIM's "supply side" strategy. Competitors like Apple simply promise consumers a desktop like experience, working on the "demand side". And carriers are then dying to offer the iPhone even as it's a PITA to support on their network and is ruining the experience for everyone. RIM is outdated in that sense, having much earlier roots than Apple. That's their weakness.
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