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Doesn't everyone already know that Verizon said no to wifi? I work for Motorola and I have first-hand knowledge of stuff like this. Carriers run the cell phones, now. The carrier will come in to the manufacturer and say, "Here's what we want, it must do this, this, and this, and cannot have this, that, and probably that. Do it this way or else we don't want your product. We've got plenty of other manufacturers that will play ball."12-26-08 03:30 AMLike 0 -
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Only issue being- Rogers is GSM and most likely didnt include Local CDMA bands. Most likely if at all only the Japanese CDMA BAnds and Quad Band GSM (for USA + World use)
aka cant activate to Verizon service as Verizon doesnt activate via Sim cards as Rogers, ATT, Tmobile, WORLD lol.12-26-08 04:09 AMLike 0 -
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It would've been nice to have wifi on our 9530s but with unlimited data plans I really don't "NEED" to have it. Wi-Fi alone is not big enough a reason for me to ditch the 9530... plus, isn't it nice to finally have a cool phone for at least 6 or 8 months before those GSM guys get one? lol By then you can say "nah, been there done that, 6 MONTHS AGO!"12-26-08 04:16 AMLike 0 -
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Pete6Retired ModeratorYou are bang-on right with that post. Carriers rule. They talk features on phones before they are made. If a new phone has a feature that is missing, they won't sell it and if it has one they done ant, they won't sell it.Doesn't everyone already know that Verizon said no to wifi? I work for Motorola and I have first-hand knowledge of stuff like this. Carriers run the cell phones, now. The carrier will come in to the manufacturer and say, "Here's what we want, it must do this, this, and this, and cannot have this, that, and probably that. Do it this way or else we don't want your product. We've got plenty of other manufacturers that will play ball."
This is regrettably where the iPhoney scored. Apple bult the product, created the hype and then pretty much forced it down the carriers throats because demand was so strong. Carriers were forced to take the device "as is" because everybody knew what the device could do from Apple's ad campaign. I bet the carriers just loved that one because thy were not in control for once.
Verizon is interested in making money. This is why they disabled GPS on the 8830 and 8330 (8130??, not sure) unless you tool the Verizon product for $10/month. They got sued and issued a new OS that enabled GPS for BBMaps. This was their fix. However they did not tell everyboy that hty had done this so there are 000s of Verizon customers still with no working GPS.
Likewize with WiFi, Verizon want you on their network, not on neighbor Joe next doors WiFi. This means that Verizon totally control your connectivity and may hold you to ransom on price hikes if they think they can get away with it. Without WiFi you have no choice.12-26-08 06:48 AMLike 0 -
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I am with the folks who say that dont reanny need wifi. It is nice to have and its fast an all but i get a decent 3g signal everywhere in Buffalo. I would probably have the wifi off all the time to conserve battery anyway. I know I'm not the only one who would either, it just doesnt make sense to leave it on unless you are using it. Most of the time I am just using the internet for a few minutes at most anyway.12-26-08 08:32 AMLike 0 -
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You are bang-on right with that post. Carriers rule. They talk features on phones before they are made. If a new phone has a feature that is missing, they won't sell it and if it has one they done ant, they won't sell it.
This is regrettably where the iPhoney scored. Apple bult the product, created the hype and then pretty much forced it down the carriers throats because demand was so strong. Carriers were forced to take the device "as is" because everybody knew what the device could do from Apple's ad campaign. I bet the carriers just loved that one because thy were not in control for once.
Verizon is interested in making money. This is why they disabled GPS on the 8830 and 8330 (8130??, not sure) unless you tool the Verizon product for $10/month. They got sued and issued a new OS that enabled GPS for BBMaps. This was their fix. However they did not tell everyboy that hty had done this so there are 000s of Verizon customers still with no working GPS.
Likewize with WiFi, Verizon want you on their network, not on neighbor Joe next doors WiFi. This means that Verizon totally control your connectivity and may hold you to ransom on price hikes if they think they can get away with it. Without WiFi you have no choice.
This makes zero sense.
If Verizon forces us to have dataplans regardless, what do they care if we use their network or "neighbor Joe's'? I would think Verizon would prefer you to pay for their data plans, while not using their network. It's a win-win for them.
Like it was quoted earlier, I truly think there was no more room in the phone for a wi-fi chip.Last edited by jeffmvr; 12-26-08 at 10:32 AM.
12-26-08 10:30 AMLike 0 -
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+1......
Plus, wi-fi would be nice for those places where you don't always even get service, let alone 1X or 1XEV........Yes, there are still places in this world like that
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I don't think it was RIM or the carriers - there are no xx30 model BlackBerries (IE 8130/8330/8830) with WiFi, that is all xx20's which is where this device falls.Doesn't everyone already know that Verizon said no to wifi? I work for Motorola and I have first-hand knowledge of stuff like this. Carriers run the cell phones, now. The carrier will come in to the manufacturer and say, "Here's what we want, it must do this, this, and this, and cannot have this, that, and probably that. Do it this way or else we don't want your product. We've got plenty of other manufacturers that will play ball."
I am not aware of any lawsuit against Verizon (or any carrier) for GPS locking. These devices do not have GPS's they have aGPS's which mean the chip depends on the network for service. You can test this by turning off the network and trying to use the "GPS" in BBMaps. You will not see any satellites, at least I do not. As soon as I turn the network back on it picks up the satellites within seconds standing in the same location. So they aren't "locking the GPS", but locking access to there assist server for the GPS to work. Also, the OS had nothing to do with unlocking it. Many people did not upgrade the OS and still found the "unlock" working, because they simply allowed access to the assist server.... This is why they disabled GPS on the 8830 and 8330 (8130??, not sure) unless you tool the Verizon product for $10/month. They got sued and issued a new OS that enabled GPS for BBMaps. This was their fix. However they did not tell everyboy that hty had done this so there are 000s of Verizon customers still with no working GPS...12-26-08 11:44 AMLike 0 -
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There are different data plans though. Some people think they have to get the most expensive data plan since they will be using the net all the time. In reality that is not true, but they dont know this and will be paying $20 more a month over the other user.This makes zero sense.
If Verizon forces us to have dataplans regardless, what do they care if we use their network or "neighbor Joe's'? I would think Verizon would prefer you to pay for their data plans, while not using their network. It's a win-win for them.
Like it was quoted earlier, I truly think there was no more room in the phone for a wi-fi chip.12-26-08 11:45 AMLike 0 -
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