BlackBerry Messenger helps uncover a Brazilian corruption scandal
- BlackBerry Messenger helps uncover a Brazilian corruption scandal
Very interesting. What do you think?
HTC One M9 & BlackBerry Z10 via Verizon04-06-15 03:53 PMLike 3 - BlackBerry/RIM has always complied with legal documents when presented. If they took the time to research what they needed they would have known. My thoughts are the same as always. BBM is NOT secure unless attached to BES with established encryption keys.04-06-15 04:16 PMLike 3
- BlackBerry BBM is very secured that is why these crooks used to BBM each other, but it is not really secure when it comes to deal with the Government. No matter what, the Government can force the company to give them access anyway. This is how I understand! It is secure if people use it to do business that do not break the law, but it is unsecured if people use it to do evil things.04-06-15 04:24 PMLike 0
- BlackBerry BBM is very secured that is why these crooks used to BBM each other, but it is not really secure when it comes to deal with the Government. No matter what, the Government can force the company to give them access anyway. This is how I understand! It is secure if people use it to do business that do not break the law, but it is unsecured if people use it to do evil things.04-06-15 04:38 PMLike 0
- BlackBerry BBM is very secured that is why these crooks used to BBM each other, but it is not really secure when it comes to deal with the Government. No matter what, the Government can force the company to give them access anyway. This is how I understand! It is secure if people use it to do business that do not break the law, but it is unsecured if people use it to do evil things.04-06-15 05:07 PMLike 0
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This is (one of) the advantage(s) of iMessage, Whatsapp, Google Hangouts, Telegram and others over BBM.
Apple can't tell the Feds what your iMessages say even if they wanted to.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android04-06-15 09:15 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1004-06-15 09:32 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB10maddie1128 and medic22003 like this.04-06-15 09:44 PMLike 2 - Apple holds the public keys that encrypt the messages. The private keys that decrypt the message are stored on the device.04-06-15 10:50 PMLike 0
- All these companies still operate under the government's laws. They have to handle over data regardless.
Nobody is secure. Unless you setup your server and run through there.
Posted via CB1004-06-15 11:23 PMLike 0 - Regardless of what other companies say, if a government is trying to get info on a case ALL companies will be legally required to allow access.
This is a fact of the world we live in, we can secure our data from malicious activity but we cannot hide from the government, if they have reason to investigate you, they will, and they will get everything they demand.
The solution is simple, don't be a criminal and you won't have to worry.
BB for Life04-06-15 11:50 PMLike 4 - Does BlackBerry hold the keys for Bbm protected? I don't think these guys were using Bbm protected on a bes which is what u'd need for real security
Posted via CB1004-06-15 11:54 PMLike 0 -
This is not correct. "Feds" (whoever you are referring to) cannot get data that is transferred over totally randomized encrypted keys, unless the software vendor provided a backdoor to "feds"
If a messenger works as a packet data and encrypts each message as a single file and decrypts at other end, all "feds" and your ISP sees is random data. BBM is not encrypted, and even BES service encryption is done by a remote computer and then sent to you. There is a reason BB died and opened data to everyone. BES was too difficult to crack or hack into, additionally RIM always protected their user's data. Not anymore, ever since BBRY, it's nothing but completely open to whoever asks to see whatever you do on your phone.
Just don't fool yourself thinking you can go chat about stealing a car over BBM and it's secure.04-07-15 12:24 AMLike 0 -
iMessage Privacy
Quick answers
What we are not saying: Apple reads your iMessages.
What we are saying: Apple can read your iMessages if they choose to, or if they are required to do so by a government order.04-07-15 12:34 AMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1004-07-15 06:05 AMLike 0 - Just a few DuckDuckGo searches:
Apple's iMessage Encryption Too Tough for FBI - The Mac Observer
Apple's iMessage encryption trips up feds' surveillance - CNET
Apple?s iMessage Services Proving Impossible for FBI to Tap | PadGadgetOverlake likes this.04-07-15 09:33 AMLike 1 - This is a bit of a confusing mess for most folks who depend on secure or at lease expect privacy when using these messaging tools. With this incident, it provides some incite into Blackberry's level of encryption but also seems to be open to governments when requested. Of course Apple weighs in to say "me to" and "see how easy Blackberry is to hack".
It's clear from the events that the Brazilian police could not gain notional access to the BBM traffic and was required to request the Brazilian judiciary to issue a court order to provide the decrypted texts for these specific individuals. Blackberry (and I'm sure their local partners or agents) operates within the local laws and therefore was required to comply. If they refused or ignored the court order, then they could be held in contempt and subject to further legal action. This is vastly different to the previous incident with the Indian government where they wanted full access to all email/messaging traffic on a interactive basis. In my view the Brazilian situation is a proper use of the courts because it targets only the potential criminal activity, but the Indian situation casts a wide net to include all and anyone who uses electronic devices to communicate and smacks of Big Brother thinking.
However, all of this in some ways shows how secure Blackberry is as the police could not decrypt the messages and needed to compel its decryption. It's not clear if Apple was involved but it might indicate that the police can readily read Apple (or Android) traffic without need of their assistance.Dmitry Kisselyov likes this.04-07-15 10:15 AMLike 1 - 04-07-15 10:29 AMLike 0
- Don't rule out the possibility of disinformation to create a false sense of security. Further, the FBI is not the NSA, but has access to all their "tools" for snooping and decrypting. The FBI can say (with a straight face) they can't read encrypted traffic.....but they know who can !!!
Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidFairlightRacing and MarsupilamiX like this.04-07-15 05:12 PMLike 2 -
That being said, Apple could theoretically encrypt outgoing messages with a new public key that can be decrypted by Apple. This still wouldn't decrypt old messages, however, only ones encrypted with the new key.04-07-15 05:48 PMLike 0 -
This is how WhatsApp works, and so does BBM Protected - although the latter requires an annual subscription, while the former is free. The free version of BBM is falling behind the times - every BBM message is encrypted with a single, global key that is known to BlackBerry. For a supposedly security-conscious company, they really need to step it up.04-07-15 06:13 PMLike 3 - I take it for granted the NSA can read anything. What we know is that iMessage is end-to-end encrypted while non-BES BBM is not. And that blackberry has a well-documented history of cooperating with the authorities up to and including "descrambling" BBM'S. While Apple, as of iOS 8, cannot read your iMessages. Even if they wanted to.
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Fact of the matter is your iPhone running iOS 8 is no more secure than my BlackBerry (10 or BES). Should you choose to take at face value what Apple is telling you about iOS 8 feel free.
They laugh at my because I'm different; I laugh at them because they're all the same. 04-07-15 06:16 PMLike 0 - It will fly, because they physically don't have access to the info, nor the keys to it. You can't ask for something they don't have. It'd be like asking BlackBerry to hand over the contents of a BES server.04-07-15 06:24 PMLike 0
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This is not a secret. The governments complaining about it has been pretty much everywhere lately.04-07-15 08:07 PMLike 0
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