[Bluenoser63]

Keep an eye on this thread, I'm willing to bet it'll be rooted in 2 months or less.

BlackBerry Priv (Venice) - XDA Forums

If BlackBerry Priv is rooted, they will never be accepted in the regulated markets. BlackBerry will then not be known for security.

[Bluenoser63]

Then what is the purpose of BlackBerry concentrating on "security" for the consumer marketplace if Android users, and clearly iPhone users, don't care about a higher level of it?

It makes no sense for BlackBerry to come out with a "secure" Android phone to replace BlackBerry phones in regulated markets that can be rooted.

[CeCoQ]

I still prefer BB10, if it was possible to overlay BB10 on the android - if there is such a thing then i would probably be more excited.

What do you have in BB10 that there won't be on this phone?

There isn't much of a difference from this Android version on the Priv, and BB10.
The main difference between bb10 and the other OSes is the HUB, and the HUB is there in this version of Android, and most BB productivity apps are there, and then you can have native google play services, google apps, and etc...
This phone is going to be the perfection just watch.

[CeCoQ]

It makes no sense for BlackBerry to come out with a "secure" Android phone to replace BlackBerry phones in regulated markets that can be rooted.

It might not be easy to root it. And I am sure this phone will not give space for other OS (like Cyanogenmod). The bootloader will be locked.

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

What is the appeal of Android outside of app selection?


PRICE - Android devices are cheaper than iOS devices generally. If Apple sold $100 iPhone... do you think there would even be much of a Android market anymore? Average iPhone globally sell for $670, average Android globally sells for $250.... Android success are really all about the cheap devices.... many of which may not even have Google Mobile Services.

CUSTOMIZATION - lots of cool things that you can do (even without rooting) with a Android device that Apple didn't allow back initially, or even now.

HARDWARE - Waterproof, Big Screens, Fast Charging, Usually Android OEM's have some features long before Apple gets them. The iPhone 6 and 6+ larger screens... have killed Android flagship sales in the US.

[nicky_willz]

Looking forward to an Android based BBP #AppsMatter

[Burpee DeLong]

APPS are not a big factor for me. I am in the 55+ years of age catagory and don't need a huge amonut of APPS. However, when it come to 3rd party hardware, there is where I find it harder to stay with BB 10 OS. Recently I purchased an EZcast dongle from Amazon and could not get it to work with my Z10. (Miracast) Maybe at the end of the day one of you smarter geeks out there could likely have gotten the unit to work but I couldn't. I finely resorted to getting my wife's ipad and set it up with that. Cromcast was the same way. Works great with the Windows laptop, my wife's Ipad, my granddaughter's Android tablet, but only limited use with the Z10. I, of course, can alway plug the Z10 into the HDMI directly but it's a little more tedious. The PRIV will give me the HUB, a physical keyboard, and access to third party hardware. :-) Ye Haw...

[freddysrevng3]

BlackBerry really isn't (my opinion).

Chen (the former iOS user married to an Android user) knows that other platforms can be used safely and productively. He knows specific builds of iOS and Android have the same security certs as BB10.

The whole "security focus" is nothing but a placebo for a specific set of folks. It's about the apps, and security is a distant add-on in my view.

Governments, military, highly compliant industries etc. need BlackBerry's highest level of security.....consumers don't seem to care and it is not an issue to promote to the consumer marketplace....Apple has "hacks", virtually every week - an nobody cares...."nudeselfiegate" ring a bell?

[phillyd2]

Outside of the apps? That's like asking what's the use of a girlfriend outside the sex and sandwiches afterwards

[BoldBigWorm]

Google services, is what I need! If they add it to my Silver Passport I doubt that I'll bother getting the Priv. It's 2015 and phones are much more that E-Mail and texting. Some of us are technology freaks and have our homes retro fitted with stuff like I have and want out devices to be controllable from out phones.

-Nest Dropcam
-Nest Smoke Alarm
-Nest Thermostat
-Lift Master Garage Doors
-Samsung Wi-Fi Washer & Dryer
-Kevo Door Locks

OS 10 is nice but don't kid yourself Android has also got nice since lollipop.

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[Xadion]

I like BB10 because it has everything I need. I like using (almost) no apps! This OS is pretty much complete.

Too many of today's popular apps and games take people away from being social, up close and personal.



 Z10 STL 100-3 with vitamin 10.3.2.2639 on AT&T

That's how I was with webOS- the OS at the time had everything I needed and did it many many times better than the current competition. BB10 was about the same- most of my productivity was work related and - really no one has had a better email and calendar - the ability to work with many different cards and go back and forth was the best- not even bb10 is as good...in fact they all kind of suck compared to webos for email etc.

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[D.Vader]

I need it to run BB10. BB10 runs Android apps, Android doesn't run BB10 apps. If a BB10 Priv was announced I'd jump all over it, although I'm not completely dismissing the Android Priv. Those specs are sexy.

Maybe BB should offer BB10 as an option.

[Bbnivende]

Governments, military, highly compliant industries etc. need BlackBerry's highest level of security.....consumers don't seem to care and it is not an issue to promote to the consumer marketplace....Apple has "hacks", virtually every week - an nobody cares...."nudeselfiegate" ring a bell?

Maybe, but realistically how many BlackBerry's are being purchased by Enterprise. Outside of Toronto big business, not very many. My guesstimate is about 10 percent.

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[Tre Lawrence]

Governments, military, highly compliant industries etc. need BlackBerry's highest level of security.....consumers don't seem to care and it is not an issue to promote to the consumer marketplace....Apple has "hacks", virtually every week - an nobody cares...."nudeselfiegate" ring a bell?

Consumers care. With regards fyi being connected, there are tradeoffs, and the general consumer consensus seems to be that BlackBerry doesn't provide enough pros to justify the cons with regards to using BlackBerry devices.

And, from an uncomfortably practical point of view, no entity "needs" anything. If they did, BBRY would be able to name its own price for the product it provides. There are alternatives, and BBRY is unwilling -- wisely IMHO -- to hang its hat on the theory that it is needed.

Maybe BlackBerry itself realizes something we would rather not.

[tmf06]

Having to chose between IOS and Android reminds me of some bad dream I had where I had to chose between IOS and Android.

lol...couldn't have said it better

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[Valker]

It has some apps that would make my life easier. And brings stability to Android apps that BB10 couldn't.

That said if I go Android, it wouldn't be with the 'priv'

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Good point - I would probablygo with the S6

[Valker]

Outside of the apps? That's like asking what's the use of a girlfriend outside the sex and sandwiches afterwards

Sandwiches ??!!!

[Iggy City]

Maybe BB should offer BB10 as an option.

That will never happen, BlackBerry would basically be throwing money in a trash can.

[the1]

Consumers care. With regards fyi being connected, there are tradeoffs, and the general consumer consensus seems to be that BlackBerry doesn't provide enough pros to justify the cons with regards to using BlackBerry devices.

And, from an uncomfortably practical point of view, no entity "needs" anything. If they did, BBRY would be able to name its own price for the product it provides. There are alternatives, and BBRY is unwilling -- wisely IMHO -- to hang its hat on the theory that it is needed.

Maybe BlackBerry itself realizes something we would rather not.

Perception is, consumers care very little, hence why there is a huge push for IoT, cloud, and everything else. Truth is, many people will give up privacy and security for convenience. It's them and not me, so I care very little but what I hate is when this dictates the market, and those who don't fall into the majority have their choices severely limited.

[extisis]

Keep an eye on this thread, I'm willing to bet it'll be rooted in 2 months or less.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/blackberry-priv

This will be an interesting development. More interesting than the phone itself.

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[nicky_willz]

I agree however I don't believe an Android Update will be made available for other BB devices,
it would contradict the proprietaries of the Priv. Depending on the sales of the Priv I can envision
an Android based BBP in the near future. I sold my BBP because the lack of google services made
it maddening to use the device as my primary. I have since been using the S6 Edge and Note 5. The S6
will always be my primary due to it's effectiveness and friendliness on the daily, however a Google/Android
based BBP would certainly bring me back to BB.

As for the Priv I'd love to demo it bcuz I question if it would be good enough to migrate loyal android user to BB, or if it's simply a last ditch attempt to regain back some BB faithful who've ventured out on the Android train. I can't imagine the Priv being better than the S6 Edge to the point where I'd switch out but I can imagine it being a solution for some consumers who want a business like phone with readiness/availability of playstore and google services,BB definitely making some headlines with Priv

[Paraliotis3]

So android to me it's the easy and simple way to have everything apps so many of them, no struggling for new apps and sending mail to dev for developing an app doing an app on blackberry I personally doing this I send emails to app developers, to do apps. It's the easy way to have apps without downloading 3 stores or have them in my device useless and just to eck if it works or not!
From the other hand having having BlackBerry is the brand and the OS updates also the device which after 2 years still having updates.... Android have more options like brightness automatic something which in BlackBerry is absent. Everything surrounding me have adroit or IOS apps. The majority of malls here in Europe have a Samsung center or an apple center but no a Blackberry specialist! I cannot access even a technician in case something happens and the most important no commercials from BlackBerry who knows about that devices only some people but not the majority of population

[bimmin]

I can hardly believe the world ever took Android seriously. Its like we are in a novel about a dystopian future where people carry around devices made by the advertisement industry. Google is a company that tracks EVERYONE across the web - there is no need to use any Google services or have accepted any privacy policies. Google is not an ethical company and makes money off of stolen data. How can BB be calling this a privacy focused device when its full of Googles proprietary software? Plus aren't 99% of the apps in the Play Store designed to further erode the users privacy?

[Tre Lawrence]

I can hardly believe the world ever took Android seriously. Its like we are in a novel about a dystopian future where people carry around devices made by the advertisement industry. Google is a company that tracks EVERYONE across the web - there is no need to use any Google services or have accepted any privacy policies. Google is not an ethical company and makes money off of stolen data. How can BB be calling this a privacy focused device when its full of Googles proprietary software? Plus aren't 99% of the apps in the Play Store designed to further erode the users privacy?

Back up a few steps LOL.

First, thinking that any company is ethical is funny. Read your TOSes, and protect yourself. I treat my data on BB10 the SAME way I treat my data on iOS, WP and Android. They all collect data, and my job is to reduce what they get.

If Google does actually "steal" data (how?) and has an app market with 99% apps designed to steal more, what does that say about BlackBerry and its willingness to incorporate this into its next offering?

No one cares more about your privacy than you do. BlackBerry has always been in it to make money, just like everybody else.

[luisoman2000]

I can hardly believe the world ever took Android seriously. Its like we are in a novel about a dystopian future where people carry around devices made by the advertisement industry. Google is a company that tracks EVERYONE across the web - there is no need to use any Google services or have accepted any privacy policies. Google is not an ethical company and makes money off of stolen data. How can BB be calling this a privacy focused device when its full of Googles proprietary software? Plus aren't 99% of the apps in the Play Store designed to further erode the users privacy?

just exactly how are all those apps designed to erode your privacy? FYI you can have android without google services (see amazon fire series) so blackberry could build its own secure version of Android.

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