Why Wait to Add LTE to BBs?

corymcnutt · Thread Author #1 08-28-2010, 08:39 AM

Can someone tell me why RIM has to wait to introduce LTE phones? The system is set at Verizon, so the specs should be known AND the LTE phones will work on the current 3G network; so why spend money to "Refresh" your line of phones? Why not just wait a couple months and come out with the next generation BBs, with a faster processor, more memory, BB6, AND LTE? That way the current S1 & S2 owners can have a real upgrade path rather than refresh first and then LTE a few months later? It just seems to make more business sense than upsetting a bunch of people with Refresh models now and then 3 months later coming out with LTE models? Just asking...

Frank2029 · #2 08-28-2010, 09:22 AM

RIM is not upsetting anyone by releasing refreshes...

The main purpose for these refresh phones are to attract people who dont already own a blackberry. I am pretty sure RIM knows most users will not upgrade their current phone if they have the previous gen phones like the Storm2. Its not costing RIM any money to upgrade the hardware already in existing phones since nothing has changed but memory and maybe the processor which pretty much just "snap" into place. The Form factor is the exact same.

Why wait? because if they dont then you will have a disaster like the Storm 1. Do you want that again? Im assuming you are going to say no...

corymcnutt · Thread Author #3 08-28-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank2029

RIM is not upsetting anyone by releasing refreshes...

The main purpose for these refresh phones are to attract people who dont already own a blackberry. I am pretty sure RIM knows most users will not upgrade their current phone if they have the previous gen phones like the Storm2. Its not costing RIM any money to upgrade the hardware already in existing phones since nothing has changed but memory and maybe the processor which pretty much just "snap" into place. The Form factor is the exact same.

Why wait? because if they dont then you will have a disaster like the Storm 1. Do you want that again? Im assuming you are going to say no...

Sorry, but I disagree - haven't you read the other postings in the Storm forum? People are ticked off their Storm2 will not run BB6 and they don't want to use their NE2 to purchase a Refresh model.

How can you say it won't cost RIM to upgrade a phone? More memory, better camera, possibly a faster processor - all of that costs them more money, especially if they are going to "Refresh" again a few months with a LTE model; why not just wait and do it then? And I am not sure why there would be another "Storm1 disaster," just because they came out with a new model?

reverepats · #4 08-28-2010, 09:46 AM

what exactly is LTE...........been seeing it alot in the forums but no one has explained what it is

mechanic_joe · #5 08-28-2010, 10:00 AM

I think its all business practice based. Profitiability wise I'm sure it makes more sense to clear out existing processors/chip sets and screens/keyboards with a refresh than completely develop a brand new platform with completely new hardware.

My prediction is that next year we will see some form of 4G Berry... Poss the Storm 3/4? Than everyone that cries on here will finally see their blessed 1gz or faster processor. I think its still a bit early for them to push LTE, some areas of the world (like my province) are only seeing 3G/3G+ HSPA now!!!

I think it all comes down to numbers, and RIM is just doing what makes the most sense business wise. I'm sure the crazy 4G super fast major memory Berry is coming... just not yet.

corymcnutt · Thread Author #6 08-28-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by reverepats

what exactly is LTE...........been seeing it alot in the forums but no one has explained what it is

I am not expert (and I'm sure I will be corrected) but it stands for Long Term Evolution, and is basically the next step up from 3G. It has wider and faster band technology. Verizon has it up in several markets and is expected to switch over to that format in 2011. Current 3G phones will NOT be able to take advantage of it, however, if you get a LTE phone, it will work on BOTH 3G and LTE.

MattyG27 · #7 08-28-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank2029

RIM is not upsetting anyone by releasing refreshes...

The main purpose for these refresh phones are to attract people who dont already own a blackberry. I am pretty sure RIM knows most users will not upgrade their current phone if they have the previous gen phones like the Storm2. Its not costing RIM any money to upgrade the hardware already in existing phones since nothing has changed but memory and maybe the processor which pretty much just "snap" into place. The Form factor is the exact same.

Why wait? because if they dont then you will have a disaster like the Storm 1. Do you want that again? Im assuming you are going to say no...

Okay I'm sorry but this post is absolutely wrong. There are plenty of people within this community that are pissed at what RIM keeps doing. I would also have to say that the Storm line is where people are most upset with these refreshes. Especially since the Storm line, is their consumer phone and has not saw a leak of a new phone in over a year, when we finally did, after all the talk of the next one being a huge upgrade, it turns out to be another stinkn refresh.

Secondly, these refreshes are not attracting ANY new customer. Why would they, it's basically the same device, and the S1 had terrible reviews and the S2 wasn't much better. So why the **** would a new customer purchase a refresh of a [b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b]ty phone. Doesn't make much sense now does it??

Why wait?? Hmmm....Rim better stop playing the waiting game cause the longer RIM waits on releasing a majorly upgraded Storm, the more they lose market share as HTC, Motorola, and maybe even Apple(if or when it comes to Verizon) gain market share and leave RIM in the dust. But hey we got a refresh of the same phone with more memory, a better camera and a still [b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b]ty non-innovative OS, I'm sure everyone in these forums is completely happy with that...

TaZ52083 · #8 08-29-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by corymcnutt

Can someone tell me why RIM has to wait to introduce LTE phones? The system is set at Verizon, so the specs should be known AND the LTE phones will work on the current 3G network; so why spend money to "Refresh" your line of phones? Why not just wait a couple months and come out with the next generation BBs, with a faster processor, more memory, BB6, AND LTE? That way the current S1 & S2 owners can have a real upgrade path rather than refresh first and then LTE a few months later? It just seems to make more business sense than upsetting a bunch of people with Refresh models now and then 3 months later coming out with LTE models? Just asking...

Totally agree with your statement.

Frank2029 · #9 08-29-2010, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by corymcnutt

Sorry, but I disagree - haven't you read the other postings in the Storm forum? People are ticked off their Storm2 will not run BB6 and they don't want to use their NE2 to purchase a Refresh model.

How can you say it won't cost RIM to upgrade a phone? More memory, better camera, possibly a faster processor - all of that costs them more money, especially if they are going to "Refresh" again a few months with a LTE model; why not just wait and do it then? And I am not sure why there would be another "Storm1 disaster," just because they came out with a new model?

Whats it matter that people complain about the Storm2 not running BB6. People complain about everything. Some people want all the latest gizmo's and gadgets but at the same time they have no fking clue how to it properly. Is that RIMS fault too? What i meant about a refresh not costing RIM anything is that they will just take a profit hit thats all. New memory, camera etc will essentially cost less or the same as when the Storm 2 came out with the same components. For example: Intel releases processors every so often right?, the top of the line "extreme" editions model of their latest CPU's are always $999USD every time. Do catch my drift? Of course there could be another disaster. You hype up a phone enough and then at launch there is big problems then what will happen? A "Storm1 disaster"....

Frank2029 · #10 08-29-2010, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyG27

Okay I'm sorry but this post is absolutely wrong. There are plenty of people within this community that are pissed at what RIM keeps doing. I would also have to say that the Storm line is where people are most upset with these refreshes. Especially since the Storm line, is their consumer phone and has not saw a leak of a new phone in over a year, when we finally did, after all the talk of the next one being a huge upgrade, it turns out to be another stinkn refresh.

Secondly, these refreshes are not attracting ANY new customer. Why would they, it's basically the same device, and the S1 had terrible reviews and the S2 wasn't much better. So why the **** would a new customer purchase a refresh of a [b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b]ty phone. Doesn't make much sense now does it??

Why wait?? Hmmm....Rim better stop playing the waiting game cause the longer RIM waits on releasing a majorly upgraded Storm, the more they lose market share as HTC, Motorola, and maybe even Apple(if or when it comes to Verizon) gain market share and leave RIM in the dust. But hey we got a refresh of the same phone with more memory, a better camera and a still [b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b]ty non-innovative OS, I'm sure everyone in these forums is completely happy with that...

So you're saying people are mad because RIM is releasing a upgraded model of their previous generation phones?

The_Engine · #11 08-29-2010, 10:47 AM

My take is that RIM f'd up their hardware and software roadmap and are now caught. They have a 4G storm ready for 4th quarter but VZW isn't clearing handsets until 2011 after CTIA. This is because VZW is still working out some of the features and apps they want on 4G phones. And now RIM has OS6 out and needs more devices that can run it well in market. So they are going to crank out updates to the Storm and Bold using all the hardware they have in house and have something else running OS6 available.

I think we will start seeing next gen stuff from RIM with the QNX kernel/OS next year. Starting with the tablet this year and then the S3/4 early next year.

If they had just dropped 512 in the S2 and 256 in the S1 when they built them we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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mechanic_joe · #12 08-29-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Engine

If they had just dropped 512 in the S2 and 256 in the S1 when they built them we wouldn't be having this conversation.

+1, I agree 100%. Easily the greatest shortcoming of both Storms is their inadequate application memory (especially so on the S1, where a FULL version of OS5 with all the bells and whistles barely leaves you 15-20MB)

grahamf · #13 08-29-2010, 04:57 PM

Kinda makes me glad that Telus and Bell are skipping the Storm and just carrying the Torch for now.

But yeah, RIM should've seen the writing on the wall and put at least 256mb in the S1.

The_Engine · #14 08-29-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by grahamf

Kinda makes me glad that Telus and Bell are skipping the Storm and just carrying the Torch for now.

But yeah, RIM should've seen the writing on the wall and put at least 256mb in the S1.

Bro, the torch aunt nothing to right home about. Lots of lag. And in this case I think it is more hardware related. Maybe by build 800 of BB6 sometime in 2012 it will run better.

I am bou buying another product from RIM until that next gen QNX OS. And by then I will be on android most likely.

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grahamf · #15 08-29-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Engine

Bro, the torch aunt nothing to right home about. Lots of lag. And in this case I think it is more hardware related. Maybe by build 800 of BB6 sometime in 2012 it will run better.

I am bou buying another product from RIM until that next gen QNX OS. And by then I will be on android most likely.

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As opposed to my S1, or waiting for the S3 which is just a BB6 stopgap until the S4 can be released?