No VZW storm = RIM dead on VZW?
There are other posts in other sections about this article but I think it is most relevant here. Despite its mixed reviews the storm was a big seller for RIM on VZW. I can't help but think that the lack of a newer more competitive storm is a big reason for this and it will get worse before it gets better if we have to wait much longer. It just seems like people are dropping berries, and more specifically storms, on VZW to get droids like you would not believe. I personally know of 7 storm users who have defected to android in the last 3 months. These were people that previously loved blackberry. I have one friend who is fighting to keep his blackberry because his entire company is switching to android. I've been struggling with keeping the berry myself. While my small personal experience doesn't prove a trend, this article and crackberry forum posters also support this. The Android forum on crackberry is loaded with storm users who have switched to droids, droid pros, and the droid x on VZW.
Android dominates Verizon smartphone sales; BlackBerry tanks | BGR | Boy Genius Report
- CrackBerry User
12-11-10, 03:19 PM #2
- 45 Posts
I love blackberry, but one possibility is maybe because there are so many different manufacturers that make android phones. Motorola, HTC, LG, now Samsung. While RIM is the only one making BlackBerries. I am a BlackBerry gone android gone BlackBerry again. I think the media is going towards pusing android phones too. But do BlackBerries really need advertising? I think no matter what there is still always going to be a target group that will always choose BlackBerries. After all BlackBerry trumps in a lot of categories that some may take for granted. Such as email. I know I definitely took that for grated when I switched. I saw this article on crackberry and it's one of the best I've ever read and I totally agree 100%. Enjoy
- 12-11-10, 07:28 PM #4
RIM and/or VZW need to get off their collective asses and start making some announcements regarding a S3, because Android phones will continue to eat their lunch if people don't know there's something worth waiting for.
- 12-11-10, 08:45 PM #5
I heard somewhere that BBM would be available on Android devices coming next year (a VZW manager said that the PIN service would be places on droid phones and would be interchangeable between BB and Droid devices).
Now, that statement came as a shock to me... but if that somehow did happen (and i could keep my BBM contacts but use a droid phone), I would probably jump ship ...
RIM does have a hard time competing against all of the manufacturers chruning out android devices. RIM is only one company. However, they do offer several different form factors at several price points on multiple carriers. The iphone is only made by one company, has one form factor and is only on one carrier and just passed RIM in U.S. market share. RIM has no excuse. The consumer market is growing much faster than the enterprise end. Companies are also letting employees buy whatever they want and allowing them access to corp. email via exchange. So even in the corp. world consumers are making some of the decisions about phones. They are walking into stores and blackberries are not catching their eye. Phones with big screens and tons of apps (many of them are free or .99, not $2.99 and up like bb app world). Not to mention android and ios are making inroads into the corp. world. If RIM only caters to corp. customers and the traditional hard core blackberry user they will be relegated to a small player.......nothing compared to the the dominant force they once were. They need a strong presence in the consumer market to continue to grow.
- 12-11-10, 11:24 PM #7
- 12-15-10, 10:48 AM #8
Thing is that BBs become a tool after the newness wears off. I have a BB Tour and it gets the job done but is unable to do a lot of things the Droids can. I would purchase a Torch if it weren't on AT&T. RIM may very well not be interested in moving beyond their corporate niche so as consumers we need to decide what we want. I personally want a phone that can work and play.
I've got a Droid 2 coming today. I'll keep my Tour around as a safety blanket.
- 12-15-10, 02:56 PM #9
- 12-15-10, 03:04 PM #10
No Storm means RIM is dead on VZW???? This is a joke right?
Storm was big seller?? I'm sure that's debatable! Those early Storm OS's were awful, and a lot of people returned them within the 30-day window.
Last edited by pcgizmo; 12-15-10 at 03:08 PM.
The storm sold over 1 million units from late November 2008 through January 2009. That's no where near iphone numbers but that is a lot of phones sold...even if some were returned. I also remember reading that return rates for the storm were average compared to other phones on Verizon. It was a a big reason why lots of people got their first blackberry. Sadly, many of them are not staying with blackberry after their upgrade. If you look at this site the storm forums are huge and pretty active.
I hate to agree with anyone from engadget because i think they love to bash RIM, but this article pretty much sums up how many bb users feel......
Editorial: RIM seems to be as lost as my BlackBerry -- Engadget
Tons of users here and bb bloggers (salomandrin form bb leaks, the guy from the bb geeks, crackberry's own Craig Johnston) have starting using android devices for these reasons.
No release of a compelling device on arguably the largest carrier in the U.S. will hurt RIM. The writer of the article above is on VZW.
- CrackBerry Genius
12-17-10, 01:56 PM #16
- 1,543 Posts
Me too except I'm up here in Maine (Unicel Country - VZW purchased it) and Verizon says it will have 4G in all areas but 2013. So do you all think RIM and VZW are waiting for the Storm LTE? I'm pissed cause my 9530 has no app memory and runs out by the end of the day and I need to do a quick pull to get it back up to a big 15mb and I refuse to upgrade to a 9550 just for more memory. Why does RIM just allow people to switch to a Droid and not sneak something out so we might wait. I own two 9530's and just hate to go get two Droids but i'm thinking about it.
- 12-20-10, 02:22 PM #17
- 12-20-10, 04:49 PM #18
how many emails ever received that are truncated for whatever reasons ?
Now the notification system on a BB does trump all.. but not email
- 12-21-10, 10:32 AM #20
Not having a new touch screen blackbery out right now shows how brain dead and behind the times RIM has become. There are so many people that bought the original storm a couple of years ago when it first came out. All those people are looking to upgrade. I want a new touch screen phone but there is no chance I would buy a storm 2. That device is a joke compared to the Android devices on side of it at the Verizon store. I am one of the many that is eager to switch to Android. Lets face it. RIM isn't going to be just dead on Verizon. Its going to be dead in the United States very soon. The "RIM fan boy" crap that goes on in these forums is really unbelievable. The RIM product line has been sub par for a couple years.
- 12-21-10, 11:24 PM #24
- 12-21-10, 11:28 PM #25
The 4g speed will suck for awhile. So dont get your hopes up high...
I would like to add that Verizon customers are in for a real shock when they realize their 4G speed is slower than AT&T 3G. They will get another shock when they move in and out of 4G coverage because Verzon's 3G speed is the worst in the industry at 400kbps - 600kbps. AT&T 3G gets 4Mbps regularly, so their customers will still get excellent speed outside of 4G coverage.