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Originally Posted by auditman  what are you saying? present main stream os is not good enough to multitask? |
No. The feature set can only go as far as the architecture will allow. It's not that it can't multitask, it can and quite ably. What it can't do is evolve past a certain point.
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Disadvantages in the microkernel exist however. A few examples are:
•Larger running memory footprint
•More software for interfacing is required, there is a potential for performance loss (note, the QNX system is extraordinarily fast).
•Messaging bugs can be harder to fix due to the longer trip they have to take versus the one off copy in a monolithic kernel.
•Process management in general can be very complicated.
Sounds like how the BB OS is now.... hope QNX doesn't have these issues when they launch on phones.
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OMG i think my brain is going to explode with all this popcorn talk LOL. Im not a huge techy but i do understand stuff and know enough to get by and then some. but this is confusing me...can someone please dumb it down LOL. thanks.
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Originally Posted by tmelon I hope the kernels don't end up at the bottom of the bag. If I leave it in the microwave too long it gets burnt, but if I take it out all the kernels end up at the bottom.  | Try turning your microwave onto a lower power setting.
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Sound like you have discovered an issue that RIM didn't discover.
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Originally Posted by john wang The new Rim Operating System BBX may have problems for internet applications. This OS is based on QNX which is a real time OS and has a microkernel architecture. The problem with microkernels is that while it makes it easier to add new features and services, it has performance limitations compared to the monolithic kernel which is used by Linux, Microsoft Windows and Apple. |
The Mac actually uses a hybrid Micro/monolithic kernel and I don't think the performance will be any problem judging by the Playbook.
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04-27-2012, 09:41 PM
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I have learned a lot of practical things, thank you!
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Originally Posted by siausin Sound like you have discovered an issue that RIM didn't discover.
Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk | The disadvantages of microkernels have been known in the industry for quite some time. It's not an accident that so many companies choose against it. I have no idea if RIM considered these issues when choosing QNX.
But having said that, they can over time fix this by making the kernel more of a hybrid like that what NeXT/Apple have done.
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Originally Posted by app_Developer The disadvantages of microkernels have been known in the industry for quite some time. It's not an accident that so many companies choose against it. I have no idea if RIM considered these issues when choosing QNX.
But having said that, they can over time fix this by making the kernel more of a hybrid like that what NeXT/Apple have done. | The problem with microkernals is that it requires an efficient system of managing processes. QNX has that system.
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Originally Posted by six6xis The Mac actually uses a hybrid Micro/monolithic kernel and I don't think the performance will be any problem judging by the Playbook. | I see tremendous potential with the playbook - both form factor and OS, however, having used one for a few months now, I'm left wondering if the OP is on to something?
When it works, it's great, but it's unpredictable and I have very few apps loaded and don't really multi-task - i.e. very few apps open at the same time. The Wifi goes in and out CONSTANTLY, no matter where I travel, so there have been times that I've wanted to throw it out the window. It seems I've done a lot of hoping with Rimm and I'm a loyalist. The benchmark that I use for any device OEM is Apple. Apple stuff just works, isn't buggy, doesn't crash, etc. It just works. If Rimm were to make up ground in this area with their nextgen devices, it's a game-changer in my eyes.
Now back to microkernals...So these new BB10 devices will be based on QNX, correct? If I understand the OP, this suggests I may be disappointed?
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05-07-2012, 10:09 AM
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Please give us your comments.
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QNX is built around scalability and distributed networking.
The issues regarding performance hits discusses in the OP largely refer to IPC, which was why Mach ended up as a hybrid kernel rather than a micro in OS X. The research hadn't been completed yet.
Look up the L4 family of microkernels. QNX built their IPC system off of this research foundation. In a nutshell, they succeeded where Apple and Mach gave up, then patented their results.
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What do I go to school for to understand microkernals n such things?
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Computer sciences.
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Originally Posted by Bold9930 Apple stuff just works, isn't buggy, doesn't crash, etc. It just works. | You mean it seems to work. Apple is all about making to look like it works fast and doesn't crash. Its like a magician misdirection.
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