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    Hi Everyone.

    I am with Rogers now on 3G coverage. I know that their 3G runs at 1900 MHZ. What i need to know is if the new HSPA+ or 4g (as their useless customer service calls it) will be operating on 1900 or 2100 MHZ.

    I cant seem to find any definitive answers anywhere.

    Thanks in advance.
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    850MHz and 1900MHz (North America-wide) = 2G network where voice and data are interchangeable
    850MHz (Canada) = 3G voice and data network
    1900MHz (AT&T) = 3G voice and data network
    1700MHz (TMO) = 3G voice and data network
    2100MHz = 3G voice and data network in Europe and Asia

    I think Rogers here will be offering the new service in the 850Mhz range. Higher frequency is actually not as good as the lower frequency for a few reasons.
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    I thought Verizon was on 2100?
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    Verizon is 850 and 1900.

    The higher frequencies don't work so well in North America as they have limited range. Lower frequencies go a lot farther because they have a longer wavelength.

    In Canada 850 is the most widely used as we don't have a huge population density.
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    Thanks for the info.

    On a side question... Since the storm2 specs are as follows

    Wireless Networks

    * Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM®/GPRS/EDGE networks
    * Single-band: 2100 MHz UMTS/HSPA networks

    Does this mean that the 3G limitation for the storm 2 falls on it only supporting HSPA via 2100?

    I know that as of now we can only get EDGE on the storm2. But if rogers starts HSPA+ on 850 will the storm 2 be able to make use of that or will it be forever locked to 2100 for hspa?
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    I believe that we'll always be limited to the EDGE not 3G as the only HSDPA is 2100. The others are EV-DO - Rogers doesn't use this.
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    *sighs*

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    Just a bit more info for anyone who's interested:

    Band I (W-CDMA 2100) in Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia (all carriers' metropolitan networks), New Zealand (ITU Region 1) and Brazil (part of ITU Region 2)

    Band II (W-CDMA 1900) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2)

    Band IV (W-CDMA 1700 or Advanced Wireless Services) in the United States (T-Mobile USA) and Canada (WIND Mobile)

    Band V (W-CDMA 850) in Australia (Telstra NextG Network), New Zealand (XT Mobile Network), Brazil, Canada, the USA, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Venezuela, other parts of South America, Israel[1], parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3), Poland

    Band VIII (W-CDMA 900) in Europe, Asia, Australia (Optus and Vodafone regional/country 3G networks), New Zealand (ITU Region 1 and ITU Region 3), and Venezuela (Corporación Digitel, C.A.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedv1 View Post
    I believe that we'll always be limited to the EDGE not 3G as the only HSDPA is 2100. The others are EV-DO - Rogers doesn't use this.
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    Telus and (soon) Bell already have the Storm 2 on their 3G CDMA network.

    Rogers could be getting the 9520, which is GSM enabled, not HSPA+. There isn't an HSPA Storm available.

    Also, Rogers doesn't have HSPA. Telus and Bell have their 3G CDMA network and their "3G+" HSPA network.

    Rogers has a 3G GSM network and a 2G EDGE network, no HSPA.

    Also, can we be a little more specific about the models these bands are associated with? I'm under the assumption it's the 9550, as Vodaphone's the only carrier that had the 9520.

    I seriously doubt Rogers is going to be picking up the 9520 regardless. Telus has had the 9550 since November, and is headlining the Bold 9700, the iPhone, and the Motorola Milestone / Droid. I doubt Rogers is going to start touting a phone that Telus has already had and moved past.

    But then again, leave it to Rogers to pat themselves on the back for catching up with everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitchZero View Post
    Also, Rogers doesn't have HSPA. Telus and Bell have their 3G CDMA network and their "3G+" HSPA network.

    Rogers has a 3G GSM network and a 2G EDGE network, no HSPA.
    What? Then what was this launch all about?

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    If you looked anywhere other than that glorified engagement proposal, you'd see that Rogers only 'rolled out' their HSPA+ in the GTA.

    However, I was misinformed of Rogers current GSM technology, as when I was with them (right around the time they made this apparent HSDPA+ network announcement), HSPA had already rolled out. Rogers current 3G network is HSPA, supportive of up to 7.2 megabits / second download speeds.

    Key reasons why Bell is not concerned:
    1. Rogers deployment of HSPA+ will start in August with a progressive roll out of the pocket coverage in the Greater Toronto Area ONLY
    - Expansion timing and locations are unknown at this time since Rogers is very vague with roll out plans

    2. Canada-wide rollout of Rogers HSPA+ netowrk will follow over time
    - Bell plans to offer a national HSPA network at launch
    - It has taken Rogers over 3 years to deploy 3G (HSPA) coverage to 78% of the Canadian population
    - Bell offers 3G (EVDO) coverage to 89% of the Canadian population – the largest 3G coverage in Canada

    Rogers typically pre-announces network deployments/evolutions before their network are commercially available to Canadians.
    - Oct, 2005, Rogers announces plans to offer HSPA network
    - Nov. 2006, one-year later launched HSPA in the Golden Horseshoe ONLY
    - Oct. 2007, one-year later expanded HSPA network to 25 major cities across Canada
    - Oct. 2007, announced that they were conducting field tests of high speed 7.2Mbps data services with PC Card in Brampton & Montreal. This was a trial only.
    - Dec. 2008, one-year later launched 7.2 Mbps speeds to 75% of Canadian population
    Checking their current information (on their site, their Wikipedia page, etc) There is absolutely zero mention of HSPA+ 6 months later. Checking their 3G (HSPA) and 3.5G (I'm assuming HSPA+, as they both say HSPA) coverage is an absolute joke compared to Telus / Bells CDMA network, and probably on par with their 3G+ (HSPA+) network.

    Also, note Rogers Bold 9700 is advertised on their site as a 3G phone, whereas Telus and Bells are both 3G+ enabled, leading me to believe even more that Rogers does not have this 3G+ network rolled out. Bell and Telus are already touting HSPA+ enabled phones, and Rogers has not responded with any 3G+ enabled phones (unless they are far, far behind on updating their site), so your link seems to be a lot of hooplah for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitchZero View Post
    Checking their current information (on their site, their Wikipedia page, etc) There is absolutely zero mention of HSPA+ 6 months later.
    I see mention of it here...

    http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wireless_network

    There's no question that Bell's rollout is much more widespread than Rogers' is at this time, hence the lawsuits that were being filed around the "best/fastest network" claims that forced Rogers to alter their statements.

    That link was simply a press release, hoopla is to be expected.



    Rogers' HSPA+ Rocket stick gets you the 21Mbps download speeds... but in very limited locations, as you mentioned and as the Bell commercials make clear.
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    Ah sorry. Work computer had ab blocker on and wasn't completely loading images, I didn't even see the rocket stick. :X

    Anyways, hope to see some 3G+ phones available for Rogers soon. Seems like Telus (not even Bell!) has been snatching them all up!

    Also, god willing, an HSPA+ enabled Storm would be nice to see.

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    Agreed, it would be nice to see RIM put out some devices that can handle these crazy high HSPA+ speeds.

    IIRC, the 9700's 3G ability tops out at 3.6Mbps anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitchZero View Post
    Telus and (soon) Bell already have the Storm 2 on their 3G CDMA network.

    Rogers could be getting the 9520, which is GSM enabled, not HSPA+. There isn't an HSPA Storm available.

    Also, Rogers doesn't have HSPA. Telus and Bell have their 3G CDMA network and their "3G+" HSPA network.

    Rogers has a 3G GSM network and a 2G EDGE network, no HSPA.

    Also, can we be a little more specific about the models these bands are associated with? I'm under the assumption it's the 9550, as Vodaphone's the only carrier that had the 9520.

    I seriously doubt Rogers is going to be picking up the 9520 regardless. Telus has had the 9550 since November, and is headlining the Bold 9700, the iPhone, and the Motorola Milestone / Droid. I doubt Rogers is going to start touting a phone that Telus has already had and moved past.

    But then again, leave it to Rogers to pat themselves on the back for catching up with everyone else.
    Rogers 3G Network is HSPA+, they were the first to launch it in Canada in June or July of 2009
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    It's HSPA, and being built up to HSPA+, currently the only HSPA+ hardware they sell is one mobile rocket stick, as you should have noted between me and shabbs' back and forth.

    Also, August 2009, not June or July.

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    Getting slightly OT, but how many Bell devices can take advantage of the high HSPA+ speeds? Are they limited to an internet stick as well? There are no smartphones that I know of that are HSPA+ capable at this point in time. 7.2Mbps 3G speeds seem to be the max.
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    Well they have several phones that run on their 3G+ bands, but can't take advantage of any speeds higher than the 7.2Mbps, yet.

    I think they have an HSPA+ internet stick as well, but I'm not completely sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitchZero View Post
    Well they have several phones that run on their 3G+ bands, but can't take advantage of any speeds higher than the 7.2Mbps, yet.
    I checked Bell's website, they do have an Internet stick like Rogers that runs at 21Mbps.

    Like Bell, Rogers also has a small handful of phones that run at 7.2Mbps on their 3.5G network.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Has anyone run a Speedtest on their 9700 with 3G?
    I've been getting over 4Mbps in the Guelph area even though hardware specs for the Rogers 9700 is only 3.6Mbps.
    Does this mean it's capable of HSPA+ like Bellus 9700 as well?

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    Up to 7.2Mbps is HSPA speeds. HSPA+ is up to 21Mbps.

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    Yes but the point being is that the 9700 official specs for Rogers is 3.6Mbps.

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    Well I looked on Rogers' site, and I can see where you got that from, but I don't see how the exact same phone on Telus' or Bells' HSPA network is (supposedly) capable of up to 7.2, but Rogers is half that..

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    The Bellus ones do not fallback to GSM 2G. They only function on Rogers 3G frequency so if you're outside Rogers 3G coverage on a Bellus 9700, you're SOL cause you will not get EDGE or GPRS fallback.
    So it's hard to tell if it is a hardware limitation or a software limitation.

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