[Frawg]

A computer hacker broke into the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit and confiscated about 160 MB of data, including emails of conversations among the closely-knit scientific community that has been issuing warnings about the impending Global Warming crisis. It appears this group of pointy headed intellectuals have been less than honest by creating, then promoting the warming crisis. It is also obvious their body of work has not been subjected to peer review.

I'm just guessing here, but I think the global warming theory has taken a hit broadside. Despite it all, I do like those curly-Q light bulbs that look like Tastee Freeze ice cream cones. Hopefully, Al Gore will go back to preaching about something else he knows little about, like the internet he created.

Story link Global warming fraud uncovered

[fabuloso]

This was on the Onion.

[canuckinnh]

The global warming has been a cruel hoax which has been supported by the left and junk science. The data being released just confirms what many have suspected that it has been created by the media and fed by politicians.

Hopefully our government will wake up before any more economic resources are spent. Cap and trade needs to be shelved

[Archangel00195]

My god...I don't get it...

It's as if you're defending the consumption of resources.

WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH!? Putting all that crap into the air isn't good in the first place so why are you freaking out that warming could be fake? The point still stands. We need to be more efficient.

But damnit you'll have to scale back your SUV's, and trips to McDonald's if this is real and we can't have that.

[pixel8rberry]

You know, regardless of global warming debate, we all need to be more careful of how we treat the planet. Dumping toxic waste, creating giant landfills, polluting air, killing off marine eco-system by over-fishing and contaminating food by injecting livestock full of steroids is going to come back to bite us, if hasn't already. It's just common sense. But apparently they'd rather spend billions on useless research and media hype. yay government!

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[amazinglygraceless]

I honestly don't give a damn if it is warming or cooling or stasis. What I care about
is leaving a planet for my children, your children, their children, etc.....

Regardless of the science which is neither left or right (why must people make
EVERY DAMN THING political) the fact remains that we can be better stewards
of this planet.

[Frawg]

While I agree we must be good stewards of Earth, global warming is nothing BUT a political way to accomplish worldwide socialism. Check the list of political attendees at next month's summit in Copenhagen, beginning with our very own President.

Neither Democrats, Republicans or Independents want to drink tainted water or breathe poluted air. However, the entire global warming debate is based on CO 2 (carbon dioxide) emmissions, which is plant food, not a poisonous gas since it is exhaled while breathing. Additionally, CO 2 has not been proven to be a greenhouse gas. One of the goals of the global warming crowd is population control. Since their conclusion is that global warming is "man made", what better way to control temperature than reducing the population. I'm not willing to have our government, or the UN telling me or any of my family members they must adhere to laws pertaining to how many children are permitted per household.

Funding this folly would involve the tremendous shift in wealth from industrialized nations to 3rd world countries in a silly effort to control a gas that is largly produced by the world's oceans.

At some point, all of this lunacy gets very scary and I am very pleased the computer hackers broke into this database to shine the light of truth on this bunch of zealots.

[Archangel00195]

While I agree we must be good stewards of Earth, global warming is nothing BUT a political way to accomplish worldwide socialism. Check the list of political attendees at next month's summit in Copenhagen, beginning with our very own President.

Neither Democrats, Republicans or Independents want to drink tainted water or breathe poluted air. However, the entire global warming debate is based on CO 2 (carbon dioxide) emmissions, which is plant food, not a poisonous gas since it is exhaled while breathing. Additionally, CO 2 has not been proven to be a greenhouse gas. One of the goals of the global warming crowd is population control. Since their conclusion is that global warming is "man made", what better way to control temperature than reducing the population. I'm not willing to have our government, or the UN telling me or any of my family members they must adhere to laws pertaining to how many children are permitted per household.

Funding this folly would involve the tremendous shift in wealth from industrialized nations to 3rd world countries in a silly effort to control a gas that is largly produced by the world's oceans.

At some point, all of this lunacy gets very scary and I am very pleased the computer hackers broke into this database to shine the light of truth on this bunch of zealots.

There were also no planes on 9/11 right?
No moon landing
and JFK wasn't shot

[exelant]

You might want to take another look at your science. The major gas produced by the oceans is oxygen. Climate models clearly show warming. Whether or not it is man made, or if there is anything we can do about it is where the debate lay. I hope you're right, but most scientists disagree with you. And the problem I have with head in the sanders who base their science on politics and faith is what will happen if they're wrong.

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[Frawg]

Not sure I get your point Archangel. How does your response tie in with the subject of global warming. If you are trying to connect the environmental scientists with the Kennedy thing or 9/11, you may need to do a little homework. Thank you for taking the time to add such brilliance to this post.

[Frawg]

You are quite right Exelant. The oceans do create oxygen, in addition to fissures beneath the sea surface that include CO2 emissions. However, the current data does not indicate global warming. For the last 8 years the records reflect cooling. The US Dept of Energy estimates that 95% of greenhouse gasses consist of water vapor. From a temperature perspective, the oceans are responsible for most of the major temperature variances on earth, in combination with the Sun's activity.

The environmental movement would have you believe that man made CO2 emissions total 50 Billion tons per year by weight. If that is true, the disingenuous part is they conveniently avoid discussing how it dissipates and does not accumulate in the atmosphere. The total weight of the atmosphere is about 5 quadrillion tons, which when the math is done, represents about 5 parts per million of carbon. Of that amount, man made CO2 represents approximately .382% of all greenhouse gasses. How does one explain that such a small percentage of the total volume of greenhouse gases has such a dramatic effect on Earth's temperature?

This is not yet settled science and there are scientists willing to disprove existing beliefs via peer review. Judging by the behavior of this current group of scientists, I expect to see a number of resignations or firings. This is nothing more than a sophisticated Dan Rather moment.

[Radius]

From the climate data I have seen spanning the last 2 million years, it seems we are at the coolest point ever in our history. So warming now only takes us back to where we were.

The Al Gore data has already proven to be incomplete, so let's not even discuss that. It's only a short snapshot, looking at the longer trends from ice core samples shows a lot more.

[exelant]

I don't know if I'm motivated enough to roll up my shirt sleeves and join the argument wholeheartedly, . There is a mountain of data to justify both positions - but a bit more on the cooling side, I'm afraid. I am suspicious of an argument about science that is based on one's political and/or religious beliefs. One thing I am sure of is if those who argue against limiting greenhouse gasses are wrong, our children and their children will pay a huge price for our ignorance - and no amount of "oops, I'm sorries" will be enough.

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[sorlipm]

I do believe we have been warming up since the last ice age, its just s way to create a one world body

[syb0rg]

When studies prove that the process of making one Hybrid is more harmful than driving a 1980 Chevy Suburban for 10 years. And the media shoves the down our neck. I really don't want to hear "global warming"

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[xxxxpradaxxxx]

All I'm willing to add to this is-

Whether Global Warming is fact or fantasy, it won't hurt us to become more "eco friendly".

At the very least, go paperless!

[Username00089]

Eh I don't know. I really couldn't care less anymore about this issue. If the earth
melts in a few hundred years I won't be here for it nor will my siblings.

On the other hand it would be nice to be more "eco friendly" as prada put it. But
not to the point where everyone becomes a tree hugger.

I hate how this subject has become so damn political too. It's planet earth and
being enviromentally friendly. What the heck does the government need to make
it a political issue for? We probably need the funds, but to me it's a black and white
thing. We either take care of the enviroment or we don't . Plain and simple.

[pixel8rberry]

All I'm willing to add to this is-

Whether Global Warming is fact or fantasy, it won't hurt us to become more "eco friendly".

At the very least, go paperless!

If only everyone thought this way we would have been living in a beautiful place...

Also, condoms are cheaper than diapers! Quality over quantity i'm just saying...

[strunke]

This was on the Onion.

Yes it was but this time it is a real story.

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[syb0rg]

If only everyone thought this way we would have been living in a beautiful place...

Also, condoms are cheaper than diapers! Quality over quantity i'm just saying...

Think about that next time you use a plastic bag to clean up your dogs 100% biodegradable

or next time you drive a car that has a body that is made out of plastic.

or for that matter think of all of the straws that you are using when you eat out....

there are a ton of little stuff that people don't think of


drive a hybrid and use CFL in your house and you'll be good...

[strunke]

But what about the mercury in CFL bulbs? How about the cost to make that massive very un-earth friendly battery in the hybrid. That by the way we cannot recycle. Think of the cost just to produce that vehicle and replace a 25 year old Chevy SUV (as an example given by a previous poster) It's never ending.

I think co2 is not the cause of global warming. And while we did see some warming, it has stopped for the most part. How about methane emissions? How about natural sun cycles? There are hundreds of alternative explanations.

Yet, we are going to pour all our wealth and risk crippling our economy based on a big hunch that gained noteriety through shakey science and a movie. And that is where the problem lies. People pigeon hole anti-global warming people into people that kill trees for fun. It's just not the case. The minute you critcize global warming you are vilified. Thanks to al gore and co.

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[Frawg]

My bet is, not many in here have heard of this: scientific "consensus" in recent years has begun collapsing. A detailed review of 539 technical papers about climate change published between 2004 and 2007 found no evidence -- none --supporting specific "catastrophic" climate change due to mankind. In March 2009, a petition signed by over 31,000 scientists stated in part: "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate." Report here http://www.heartland.org/custom/semo.../pdf/22924.pdf

The question that needs to be answered here is where is the media? I suspect they broke their budget covering the movie "Inconvenient Truth", asserted this must be settled science and completely dismiss scientific views that may be in opposition to their ideological beliefs. But, I'm only guessing.

[syb0rg]

But what about the mercury in CFL bulbs? How about the cost to make that massive very un-earth friendly battery in the hybrid.

I was being Sarcastic.


I have a bumper sticker on my Jetta that says Burn Gas : Make Power.

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[strunke]

I was being Sarcastic.


I have a bumper sticker on my Jetta that says Burn Gas : Make Power.

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Oh right lol. That is a good one....

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