Scary apps that need full disclosure
So I just downloaded a puzzle game from App World called Puzzle locked. It immediately wanted permission to access the Internet, device information and the gps!
What in the world does a non multi player game need with all of that? What does the app collect and send off to whom for what purpose?
In today's world that's pretty scary. I would think that RIM would require a full disclosure as to what the developer is doing in order to protect RIM's reputation for security and protection of their users.
It's a free app but beware.
I'm not a gullible iPhone or Android user and neither do I think the rest of you are and neither should a PlayBook app developer think we are.
- CrackBerry Newbie
12-26-12, 01:37 AM #4
- 4 Posts
Well, the only reason why they need that information is to determine what sort of people like playing the game. Your geographic location is a necessary component, as well as the kind of device the game/app is being played on. They wouldn't use this information to hurt you in any way. They didn't ask for your personal information either (except location), so there's no possible third-party company that would be interested in the gathered information. The info they ask for is completely useless to everyone except the developers that consider the statistics when making improvements to the app.
- CrackBerry Abuser
12-26-12, 02:01 AM #7
- 437 Posts
Scary apps that need full disclosure
oh gmail as well. completely right to sniff through your emails to give u personalized ads.
i would rather hand over my information to such giants than some small time developer. at least the giants come under heavy scrutiny.
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- CrackBerry Addict
12-26-12, 12:17 PM #8
- 587 Posts
This is an increasing problem that tics me off. If there are legit reasons for wanting info then developers need to be more clear.
I would like to see periodic CB articles addressing privacy issues And a chart on all apps building on the age rating they now have. It could quickly give lots of info like if it works without wifi access, are there pop up ads or items for sale, if it requires location or personal info.
If there are legit reasons for having my info that could be addressed in a CB article. Just saying "I would never misuse your info and you can trust me" doesn't cut it. Get in line behind Google, FaceBook and anyone else I have broken up with. No trust, no relationship.
Thank you for getting in on this thread. Most of you have repeated my concerns with reason.
Google uses eye candy and Android to lure people into following ad links that they make big bucks off of, if you are subscribed to the Google Play app store then you agreed to allow their processing scripts to run in the background on your device that you paid for. The fact that they are profiting off of my personal business and activities without paying me is causing loss, my loss and that is causing harm. If you are a Google user or Android user then you are an unpaid revenue generator.
"Beware lest they make merchandise of you!"
The same for Facebook as well. Just because the technology enables you to do something that you wouldn't do without the technology does not make it morally or ethically right to do. Remember the "Don't Copy That Floppy" anti pirating campaign. The ease of duplicating a floppy disk erased all sense of honesty and honor, if it is so easy to do then why not?
App stores should require full disclosure of usage stats on a landable web page along with support contact info, just like any publicly held corporation must post their earnings publicly.
Most of the beginner developers have no support other than a permanently ignored email address because they never considered the volume of downloads and users for their app and are overwhelmed. Such beginner developers if not prepared to support and respond then should not be gathering such usage statistics if they cannot be accountable for them. If you want to play with user data like the big dogs then be held accountable just like the big dogs.
- 12-28-12, 09:45 AM #11
I haven't seen adverts on a website in years on my PCs. Makes it look like it was back in 1994 when I first started on the web and the corporations hadn't turned it into a diseased ***** (less Time New Roman though).
Always amazed how much of a mess the web looks with adverts when I use my Playbook.
- 12-28-12, 01:15 PM #12
The point is its none of their business.
Wake up. These entities do not have your best interests in mind. We live under a system of oligarchical collectivism, and any info you freely give up will be used to advertise to you, track you, monetize every aspect of you and your culture, and marginalize you and destroy your belief in your own inherent human rights in favor of lining the pockets of the higher ups and major stock holders.
Privacy should be a basic human right. I shouldn't have to sign some specific agreement that tells a company whether they can or cannot collect my information, it should be understood that such information collection should not be engaged in in the first place.
- 12-28-12, 01:23 PM #13
Well, I have now seen the opposite side of an app that closes aspects because I refused permissions. Now, even UNinstalling and REinstalling does not provide any access to its Permissions. So unless I do a security wipe, I've lost aspects of the app. While other apps, have generally given me an option each time I open them to change Permissions. Can't win with this nonsense. Apparently, a Security wipe (debrick, maybe) might be necessary and that is not a task taken lightly with 60gigs of files to backup or restore.
- 12-28-12, 02:10 PM #15
And I am not afraid of my info being sold to a non existent entity like Satan, I am concerned that it will be sold to human beings who have much worse intentions and are more capable of causing me harm than a fictional character from a book which has no real relevance to reality as it is today.
And they would murder you in your sleep, if they had a reason to. Im not saying indie developers, but the information they collect could be accessed and used, by people who would murder you in your sleep. The less people who have my info, the less people pressure can be exerted upon to give up my info, and the safer I am.
- 12-28-12, 03:36 PM #16
Don't even get me started on Google. Hopefully BB10 will be a success and encourage the developers of apps like Mango and Steam client to make working native apps for PB so I don't have to use sideloaded android apps anymore. Prefer to phase out Google completely from my life. Some of us just prefer privacy. And I, personally, hate being advertised to constantly.
"Sever commitments and burn your fingerprints, cause insignificance is the nemesis to complete omnipotence" - Murder Mouth, SunnMoonSekt
Last edited by ThaSwapMeetPimp; 12-28-12 at 03:47 PM.
Look in not trying to not have apps that need certain info I just want a full disclosure in app and on the support site, and the option to opt out without killing the function of the app and as my original post indicates specially a simple non online game such as Puzzle lock.
To me its like getting email from some supposed banker in Nigeria telling me some long lost relative left me some monster bank account and they want my info to send me the funds.
If the app doesn't warrant the need then why does it ask for it?
If you're a developer reading this and getting upset then maybe you need to remember when you were on this side of the fence. Please do make money creating great apps but also please be willing to be transparent in your handling of data that doesn't belong to you only placed in your trust.
- 12-29-12, 01:08 PM #19
Well, we are only probably too much concerned of those developers asking private information... but if we will extend our "concerns", we should be considering social-media sites, free-domain email addresses, and even forum sites like this... these people, or we can say business minded persons are profiting from us... believe it or not...
- CrackBerry User
12-31-12, 05:30 PM #21
- 60 Posts
I still think developers should be required to state the permissions required in the description on AppWorld. If you don't mind, then go ahead and install, but TELL ME UPFRONT.
If they're not doing anything nefarious, then they shouldn't have a problem explaining why they need access to whatever.
- CrackBerry Addict
01-01-13, 11:30 AM #23
- 587 Posts
I appreciate developers contributing to this conversation. I can see legitimate reasons for wanting access to my info. Yet we all know, there are those who are either careless or downright malicious with data. At the least I don't want to be spammed, and I am bound by professional mandates to protect my data. There are also those whose safety and freedom depend on data privacy. Look at Arab Spring, for example.
I believe this is a critical conversation which needs to be ongoing. What probably needs to happen is some refinement in what can be accessed so that developers can do a good job. It shouldn't be all or nothing. Some middle choice where I can grant an app only what it really needs and leave the rest of my data out of the conversation. I am not a developer, so would be really interested in what they think about this. We sure don't want to put stumbling blocks in the path of developers. Yet, BlackBerry's middle name is Security. That is what brought me to BB in the first place. I feel I need to be more educated, and turn this over to those with specialized knowledge.
OK now it gets even more interesting. I just downloaded Resolution Diary, another CB featured PlayBook app. I've started to check the support contact info to know who or what kind developer it is. In this case the dev listed firstname.lastname@example.org as his contact info. Well a .org domain is reserved for not for profit organizations and typically not registered to individuals and not used as a mailbox landing point. Then the full domain name of santosa.org doesn't even exist on the Internet!
How can an app get approved with a fake point of contact? Does anyone check these people out?
Information collection and fake addresses being allowed to pass shows a great lax on the part of RIM. Apple maybe, Google, its a given but Research In Motion, not acceptable.
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