- It looks as if after all the hype, Samsung has all but killed Tizen as an alternative to Android. It's cancelled the devices it was to release with it.
Samsung indefinitely puts the brakes on Tizen launch | ZDNet
I never thought Tizen would amount to much more than a bargaining chip for Samsung, but I thought they would at least be able to throw some kind of money behind it to see if it would float.07-28-14 08:25 AMLike 0 -
- Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesIt wasn't more than a bargaining chip, and not the best one IMHO.app_Developer likes this.07-28-14 08:29 AMLike 1
- Tizen relied on Android...
Google has explained to Samsung that they are shutting the doors to Google Play in order to "help" developers and make the ecosystem better. Without access to Android Apps, Samsung knew there was no long term future for Tizen and no purpose for it as a competitor against the Chinese Android Clones.... those are just as doomed without Google Services as Tizen, Sailfish and BB Runtimes.07-28-14 08:33 AMLike 5 - First Knox, now Tizen. Something must be brewing but I think the BB deal is a little late now. I don't know if Watsa and Chen are interested in selling at this stage.07-28-14 08:34 AMLike 3
- If that is true, some people here are going to be very disappointed. Tizen was supposed to be the death of Android. Tizen was supposed to be proof that Samsung was frustrated with making billions of dollars off of Android devices, and wanted to leave Android behind. Samsung leaving Android was supposed to kill off Android and be the savior of BB10 according to some folks.
Guess Samsung woke up from dreamland and realized how little demand there is for any smartphone that isn't running either iOS or Android. It's a shame, I wouldn't have mind seeing how successful they would be with Tizen, and the competition would have been nice for us consumers, but I think they made a wise decision.07-28-14 08:40 AMLike 4 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
If that is true, some people here are going to be very disappointed. Tizen was supposed to be the death of Android. Tizen was supposed to be proof that Samsung was frustrated with making billions of dollars off of Android devices, and wanted to leave Android behind. Samsung leaving Android was supposed to kill off Android and be the savior of BB10 according to some folks.
Guess Samsung woke up from dreamland and realized how little demand there is for any smartphone that isn't running either iOS or Android. It's a shame, I wouldn't have mind seeing how successful they would be with Tizen, and the competition would have been nice for us consumers, but I think they made a wise decision.
I was looking forward to it though. More options are almost always better.07-28-14 08:48 AMLike 0 - You don't become a billionaire by "breaking even"
I think if Prem could break even, he'd sell. I also think if Samsung wants to acquire BBRY, Samsung has most of the leverage.
No one seriously believed Samsung would ditch Android for Tizen. At least, no one with the ability to think unemotionally.
I was looking forward to it though. More options are almost always better.GRojasHruska likes this.07-28-14 08:53 AMLike 1 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities... or investing in companies that put one in the hole for several million.
I suspect he is whistling songs by Kenny Rogers right about now.07-28-14 08:56 AMLike 9 - Prem made a mistake with BBRY... no other way to describe his buying BlackBerry stock. Don't think he really understood the smartphone market of how out of touch the BlackBerry Board and Management were. Nothing wrong with buying a stock when it's down....
Fairfax Financial CEO Prem Watsa doubled down his bet on Research-In-Motion ( RIMM). He bought another 25 million shares of RIMM in the last month. As of July 4, he owns 51.8 million shares of RIMM, which is about 9.9% of the company. He owned 26.8 million as of March 31, 2012, which was more than doubled from his holdings at the end of 2011.
Prem Watsa started buying RIMM in the third quarter of 2010, when the stock was traded at $50s and has declined 60% from its peak in 2008. The stock has since lost another 90% while Prem Watsa kept buying. His average cost was about $26 a share before the latest purchase. The latest purchase in June brings his cost per share to high teens,
That was from 2012.... not sure where he average is now - or how the billion dollar Fairfax "loan" affected his average price - if at all.
But most of his deals where he buys as a stock falls and averages down, and then sells high happens in months, not years. I seriously doubt that when he bought BlackBerry at $50 he taught he would fall down to the $6 range or that four years later he would still be upside down.
Yes he may very well watch Chen turn things around and see the stock soar past his average....07-28-14 10:08 AMLike 0 - Tizen relied on Android...
Google has explained to Samsung that they are shutting the doors to Google Play in order to "help" developers and make the ecosystem better. Without access to Android Apps, Samsung knew there was no long term future for Tizen and no purpose for it as a competitor against the Chinese Android Clones.... those are just as doomed without Google Services as Tizen, Sailfish and BB Runtimes.
Posted via CB10lift likes this.07-28-14 10:31 AMLike 1 -
- Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesIronic that an organization purports their OS to be open, yet under the guise of improving it, puts blocks in place to close it off. They're basically saying that they'll keep it open, unless something comes along to threaten it. And they made it seem like such a promise land at first. It will be interesting to see where app development for Amazon's phone goes and in tandem for BlackBerry.
Google stumbled backwards into the smartphone OS war, and somehow emerged with a winning hand. I would never have predicted it.kbz1960 likes this.07-28-14 10:52 AMLike 1 - Ironic that an organization purports their OS to be open, yet under the guise of improving it, puts blocks in place to close it off. They're basically saying that they'll keep it open, unless something comes along to threaten it. And they made it seem like such a promise land at first. It will be interesting to see where app development for Amazon's phone goes and in tandem for BlackBerry.
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If you want to take Android (the OS) you can and change it (the source code), nobody is stopping you (try that with iOS, WP8 or BB10.....well you can't). But you won't get officially google play or google services.07-28-14 10:58 AMLike 0 - Ironic that an organization purports their OS to be open, yet under the guise of improving it, puts blocks in place to close it off. They're basically saying that they'll keep it open, unless something comes along to threaten it. And they made it seem like such a promise land at first. It will be interesting to see where app development for Amazon's phone goes and in tandem for BlackBerry.
Posted via CB10sentimentGX4 and kbz1960 like this.07-28-14 11:00 AMLike 2 - Tizen relied on Android...
Google has explained to Samsung that they are shutting the doors to Google Play in order to "help" developers and make the ecosystem better. Without access to Android Apps, Samsung knew there was no long term future for Tizen and no purpose for it as a competitor against the Chinese Android Clones.... those are just as doomed without Google Services as Tizen, Sailfish and BB Runtimes.07-28-14 11:07 AMLike 0 - @soulstream, @howarmat:
Having the OS open but closing access to apps is like having the keys to the car but no A/C, no audio, no GPS, etc. It sounds to me that Google Play Services will be required more and more for Android app developers to adhere to if they want their apps in Google Play. Will they then create a second version for Amazon for example? I just can't see this ending well for Amazon's phone and by extension BB Android Runtime. I for one use Snap from time to time for apps not available on Amazon, but that may not be an option down the road.
Am I off base here and not understanding this whole Google Play Services thing?07-28-14 11:23 AMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities@soulstream, @howarmat:
Having the OS open but closing access to apps is like having the keys to the car but no A/C, no audio, no GPS, etc. It sounds to me that Google Play Services will be required more and more for Android app developers to adhere to if they want their apps in Google Play. Will they then create a second version for Amazon for example? I just can't see this ending well for Amazon's phone and by extension BB Android Runtime. I for one use Snap from time to time for apps not available on Amazon, but that may not be an option down the road.
Am I off base here and not understanding this whole Google Play Services thing?
More and more companies seem to be using Android to buttress their own systems, and I think Google would have had to figure something out eventually.07-28-14 11:53 AMLike 0 - @soulstream, @howarmat:
Having the OS open but closing access to apps is like having the keys to the car but no A/C, no audio, no GPS, etc. It sounds to me that Google Play Services will be required more and more for Android app developers to adhere to if they want their apps in Google Play. Will they then create a second version for Amazon for example? I just can't see this ending well for Amazon's phone and by extension BB Android Runtime. I for one use Snap from time to time for apps not available on Amazon, but that may not be an option down the road.
Am I off base here and not understanding this whole Google Play Services thing?sentimentGX4 likes this.07-28-14 12:25 PMLike 1 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesYou can use the open OS, but to get google services and play store you have to follow their rules or make your own services and store. The problem is Googles are better and that's what everyone wants. It only real competitor is iOS, and most of the good google stuff has native apps for iOS any way. Google seems to want to maintain the iOS/"Google" Android dualopoly.
It's more about ROI, IMHO, than preserving a duopoly.07-28-14 12:35 PMLike 0 - ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorIronic that an organization purports their OS to be open, yet under the guise of improving it, puts blocks in place to close it off. They're basically saying that they'll keep it open, unless something comes along to threaten it. And they made it seem like such a promise land at first. It will be interesting to see where app development for Amazon's phone goes and in tandem for BlackBerry.
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Anybody can implement Android. It's open source. There's that pesky matter of licensing a few Microsoft patents, but that's not a massive expense in the long run. The way Google plays it, they maintain proprietary control of the current release, but as soon as a new one comes out they release the previous one to the community. That's actually a pretty good deal; imagine if Microsoft open sourced the previous version of Windows every time a new one came out.
So, if the "almost current" Android is free, how does the OHA add enough value to make it worth customers' while to buy their phones? Google Play...07-28-14 12:35 PMLike 0 - ThunderbuckRetired Moderator@soulstream, @howarmat:
Having the OS open but closing access to apps is like having the keys to the car but no A/C, no audio, no GPS, etc. It sounds to me that Google Play Services will be required more and more for Android app developers to adhere to if they want their apps in Google Play. Will they then create a second version for Amazon for example? I just can't see this ending well for Amazon's phone and by extension BB Android Runtime. I for one use Snap from time to time for apps not available on Amazon, but that may not be an option down the road.
Am I off base here and not understanding this whole Google Play Services thing?
Google is doing what they can to build value for the current version of Android. They're entitled to do that, but don't assume that everybody follows along.07-28-14 12:38 PMLike 0 - If that is true, some people here are going to be very disappointed. Tizen was supposed to be the death of Android. Tizen was supposed to be proof that Samsung was frustrated with making billions of dollars off of Android devices, and wanted to leave Android behind. Samsung leaving Android was supposed to kill off Android and be the savior of BB10 according to some folks.
Guess Samsung woke up from dreamland and realized how little demand there is for any smartphone that isn't running either iOS or Android. It's a shame, I wouldn't have mind seeing how successful they would be with Tizen, and the competition would have been nice for us consumers, but I think they made a wise decision.
In the past I have said that Samsung would love nothing more than to ditch Android, and I stand by that. In the Google/Samsung relationship, Samsung has the dirty job of trying sell HW for profit. They may be making money now, but the cash cow is ever so slowly winding down, especially as smartphones become more and more commodotized. Google has the easier time of the two as they can focus solely on SW and services. Ironically, BB's own John Chen saw this from the get-go and has been working to re-position BB as an enterprise SW and services company. No point in trying to fight the consumer SW and services battle that Google has a massive lead in when they can leverage their security underpinnings and go after enterprise where they already have the strongest end to end solution.
In terms of comments other folks have made about the future of the Amazon store, and getting devs to port their g-play apps over, the solution is one of three things:
1. Gain significant enough market share so that devs simply cannot ignore the platform.
2. Make it so simple and seamless for devs to substitue GPS components in their apps for their own that it is a no-brainer.
3. Go the MS route and throw wads of cash at devs.
Outside of either of these three things I'm afraid even the Amazon store will be doomed.07-28-14 01:58 PMLike 0 - @soulstream, @howarmat:
Having the OS open but closing access to apps is like having the keys to the car but no A/C, no audio, no GPS, etc. It sounds to me that Google Play Services will be required more and more for Android app developers to adhere to if they want their apps in Google Play. Will they then create a second version for Amazon for example? I just can't see this ending well for Amazon's phone and by extension BB Android Runtime. I for one use Snap from time to time for apps not available on Amazon, but that may not be an option down the road.
Am I off base here and not understanding this whole Google Play Services thing?07-28-14 02:56 PMLike 0 - Google play services and play store are proprietary closed source Google owned software /services.
Android OS is open source and free to use. Google developed a platform which has served as a lifeboat for companies like BlackBerry and even Nokia. It's genius if you think of it. Ads are the product not the services,OS, or even the Hardware(Nexus/ Subsidized). They control the OS and the a seamless cross device mobile experience within the ecosystem they control.
You can use Android all you want, but the ecosystem it supports is not free. It belongs to Google, follow their rules and gain exposure to the majority of mobile users worldwide.
With that being said, to assume that Google is obligated to cooperate with BlackBerry is foolish. It's business. Android was built in the midst of BlackBerrys dominance, Windows Mobile, and the IOS revolition. Its matured to dominate them.
Why the sense of entitlement? Google owes a additional helping hand to competitors( Tizen, BB10, Nokia X, Sailfish, Baidu, Amazon). It's seems as if they already gave them one.Berry_Pink likes this.07-28-14 08:02 PMLike 1
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