HP Touchpad release today

**jjjahn** · 07-01-2011, 11:58 AM

The HP Touchpad release today. So far seems pretty quiet on their forum. No new reviews at bestbuy yet. Stores seems to still have plenty. Thinking right now that the playbook even without the advertising at launch may have done alot better. Guess time will tell. Prefer my playbook so far.

**esqlaw** · 07-01-2011, 12:02 PM

I read it has only a usb port. So if its got no HDMI out, I am happy with the PB. But as far as 10inch tablets go, looks like a good choice. I'd pick it 100 times over ipad.

**raremage** · 07-01-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by esqlaw

I read it has only a usb port. So if its got no HDMI out, I am happy with the PB. But as far as 10inch tablets go, looks like a good choice. I'd pick it 100 times over ipad.

So...care to explain why, precisely? The reviews have tagged it as laggy, portly, and unable to be recommended. I'm interested in playing with one, but why on earth would you pick it 100 times over an iPad, based on what we currently know?

**jjjahn** · 07-01-2011, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by raremage

So...care to explain why, precisely? The reviews have tagged it as laggy, portly, and unable to be recommended. I'm interested in playing with one, but why on earth would you pick it 100 times over an iPad, based on what we currently know?

The reviews seemed to be more kind for it even with its issues then the playbook go figure.

**stevelord** · 07-01-2011, 12:42 PM

Wonder if it will be another whiff, like the Slate was. Hope they spent this time learning from their mistakes.

**ScorpinFalcon** · 07-01-2011, 12:52 PM

The back looks like it could have a hundred scratches on it by the end of the first day

How in the world did it get Angry Birds before we did!!! Arghhh

**jjjahn** · 07-01-2011, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by ScorpinFalcon

The back looks like it could have a hundred scratches on it by the end of the first day

How in the world did it get Angry Birds before we did!!! Arghhh

Palm Pre, Palm Pre2, HP TouchPad

That probably tells us how. My guess its a port over from their palm pre & palm pre2.

**esqlaw** · 07-01-2011, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by raremage

So...care to explain why, precisely? The reviews have tagged it as laggy, portly, and unable to be recommended. I'm interested in playing with one, but why on earth would you pick it 100 times over an iPad, based on what we currently know?

I'm not an expert on the thing and I wasn't quite serious. I'd not buy an ipad before buying an ipad. That is serious.

I'm just not a fan of Apple. Although I got an ipod for a gift and won a second ipod. I saw Apple for what it was and I see what it is. Cheap and overpriced products with short life spans so you can keep going back to apple to replace it. Plus proprietary accessories and hardware.

**takeo** · 07-01-2011, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by esqlaw

I'm not an expert on the thing and I wasn't quite serious. I'd not buy an ipad before buying an ipad. That is serious.

I'm just not a fan of Apple. Although I got an ipod for a gift and won a second ipod. I saw Apple for what it was and I see what it is. Cheap and overpriced products with short life spans so you can keep going back to apple to replace it. Plus proprietary accessories and hardware.

Cheap and overpriced?... uh?

Short lifespan??? They care for the devices and update the software constantly. Who does that? Even for years. The iPhone 1 was released 2007. It was up to date until 2010.

**esqlaw** · 07-01-2011, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Takeo

Cheap and overpriced?... uh?

Short lifespan??? They care for the devices and update the software constantly. Who does that? Even for years. The iPhone 1 was released 2007. It was up to date until 2010.

Even the ipad2 is running low specs compared to other tablets. The ipad1 released with 256mb ram? Wtf...? Is this acceptable? Ipad2 with 512mb ram? Give me a break. My netbook from 3 years ago surpasses the ipad2 in specs and my laptop from 8 years ago beats it too.

The lower the specs your device has, the faster its going to get outdated and just be a clunker. I think PB is gonna last way longer than an ipad of these 2 generations will.

**eds817** · 07-01-2011, 04:53 PM

HP still doesn't have HDMI, rear facing camera and only comes in 16 & 32GB models.

**skyscraper04** · 07-01-2011, 05:22 PM

i checked it out this morning at bestbuy and i honestly dont like it at all.its bulky,heavy,buggy,no back camera,the speakers is not loud at all and most of all the screen clarity is not what i expected(not even close to our PB).

**raremage** · 07-01-2011, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by esqlaw

Even the ipad2 is running low specs compared to other tablets. The ipad1 released with 256mb ram? Wtf...? Is this acceptable? Ipad2 with 512mb ram? Give me a break. My netbook from 3 years ago surpasses the ipad2 in specs and my laptop from 8 years ago beats it too.

The lower the specs your device has, the faster its going to get outdated and just be a clunker. I think PB is gonna last way longer than an ipad of these 2 generations will.

The problem with this explanation is it doesn't pan out in the real world; specs don't tell the whole story.

The iPad (and iPad2) is an example of just how smoothly a tablet can work if the software is well optimized.

The Touchpad, on the other hand, appears to be an example of what you get when the optimization is missing, despite the superior specs.

**Rainforrest** · 07-01-2011, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by jjjahn

The reviews seemed to be more kind for it even with its issues then the playbook go figure.

Many in the Mobile Tech community admire WebOS and consider it as an excellent OS. The PlayBook's BB QNX is seen as and is a WebOS rip off and many disrespect

RIM for not designing a unique UI of their own...

**Kerms** · 07-01-2011, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by esqlaw

Even the ipad2 is running low specs compared to other tablets. The ipad1 released with 256mb ram? Wtf...? Is this acceptable? Ipad2 with 512mb ram? Give me a break. My netbook from 3 years ago surpasses the ipad2 in specs and my laptop from 8 years ago beats it too.

The lower the specs your device has, the faster its going to get outdated and just be a clunker. I think PB is gonna last way longer than an ipad of these 2 generations will.

You can get away with less ram if your OS doesn't have a lot of overhead. I agree 1G would be better but the device performs pretty good with the specs it has and also don't forget the it has a dual core GPU also

**Kerms** · 07-01-2011, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by EdS817

HP still doesn't have HDMI, rear facing camera and only comes in 16 & 32GB models.

The TouchPad lack of a few things made me take a wait and see approach with their tablet. After seeing a few video reviews it looked kind of laggy

**s219** · 07-01-2011, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by esqlaw

Even the ipad2 is running low specs compared to other tablets. The ipad1 released with 256mb ram? Wtf...? Is this acceptable? Ipad2 with 512mb ram? Give me a break. My netbook from 3 years ago surpasses the ipad2 in specs and my laptop from 8 years ago beats it too.

The lower the specs your device has, the faster its going to get outdated and just be a clunker. I think PB is gonna last way longer than an ipad of these 2 generations will.

256MB was fine when the iPad 1 was released, and actually, my wife's iPad 1 still runs great even under iOS 4 with multitasking.

As far as specs -- be careful about what you write. Take some time to educate yourself with facts. Every solid benchmark you will find nowadays has the iPad 2 trouncing the PlayBook. In terms of memory, when you take out the amount of memory consumed by boot up, and then factor in memory footprint of apps, the iPad 2 actually has more real world memory than the PlayBook. Finally, the iPad 2 has a newer generation graphics processor that is capable of OpenGL software technologies the PlayBook's GPU will never be able to take advantage of. It's not all about raw specs -- its how the hardware is leveraged by the OS and apps, and how the specs pan out in the real world.

I'd be surprised if your 8 year old laptop could beat the iPad 2 across the board (an 8 year old PC is archaic even by mobile standards today). My iPad 2 actually loads some websites as fast as my 1 year old laptop. In many ways, ARM hardware is faster than traditional PC hardware all while running with lighter overhead. Look at some of the advanced OpenGL games on iOS and Android right now, and they easily outclass similar PC/console gaming technology of 8 years ago.

**blackjack93117** · 07-01-2011, 09:23 PM

Only one question, about HP touch - can you swipe the bezel, and can you flick away apps that you're tired of (or that tick you off) away into infinity and beyond to close them? Because I really like that ...

I don't think I could live without it now - once you go Playbook you'll never come back.

Begone stupid app! Flick!
.

**evolutionPlaybook** · 07-01-2011, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by raremage

The problem with this explanation is it doesn't pan out in the real world; specs don't tell the whole story.

The iPad (and iPad2) is an example of just how smoothly a tablet can work if the software is well optimized.

The Touchpad, on the other hand, appears to be an example of what you get when the optimization is missing, despite the superior specs.

Sounds like most W7 phones out there, its amazing how smooth that OS runs.

**Rainforrest** · 07-01-2011, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by blackjack93117

Only one question, about HP touch - can you swipe the bezel, and can you flick away apps that you're tired of (or that tick you off) away into infinity and beyond to close them? Because I really like that ...

I don't think I could live without it now - once you go Playbook you'll never come back.

Begone stupid app! Flick!
.

Yes you can do that on the TouchPad. HP WebOS is what RIM copied almost all of it's UI for the PlayBook... Take a look here:

**amboy83** · 07-02-2011, 12:39 AM

it looks sloowww... just like my palm pre was. that operating system while beautiful is a hog.

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**jjjahn** · 07-02-2011, 03:16 PM

from what i read today the hptouch doesnt have kiddle app at launch instead it brings up a splash screen that says its a beta and would be coming soon.

**kbz1960** · 07-02-2011, 04:07 PM

If bestbuy is doing the same thing that the one near me was doing with the playbook yesterday your average consumer will pass it up and walk away to apple or android.

It really is a shame what I saw there yesterday. I've all posted my experience in the bestbuy thread.

**jnko** · 07-02-2011, 05:19 PM

To me Engadget made it look like a giant pos. I'd get a tab if not the playbook.

**lawguyman** · 07-03-2011, 11:07 AM

I played with a touchpad at Best Buy.

The software seems very nice. I did not find it laggy at all. WebOs is very cool. Plus there are many features and applications available for Touchpad that are not available for Playbook. I Like Playbook OS better overall. Hopefully the feature will come.

The problem with Touchpad is that it feels cheap. The plastic is really cheesy. It does not feel solid in your hands. It does not feel like a premium product.