WOW -iOS has lost more UK marketshare than Blackberry in the past year!
EDIT- The marketshare figure is for the UK only...my bad!
I don't know if the company producing the data is reliable, but according to Kantar iOS has lost 0.7% EDIT- UK marketshare in the past year, while RIM has lost 0.6%. Android is wiping the floor gaining 16.8%.
Seems funny how everyone talks about RIM's demise while outside of the US they are holding their own, and actually losing less than Apple worldwide against the Android juggernaut. 18.1% of the EDIT-UK share is not bad considering they are in the middle of a huge OS transition and selling older phones until BB10 comes out.
Android is most-used smartphone OS in UK, overtaking Apple, data shows | Technology | guardian.co.uk
Last edited by BBOttawa; 04-06-2012 at 08:41 PM. Reason: my bad
- CrackBerry Addict
04-06-2012, 07:57 PM #3
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Apple is one manufacturer building one phone.
Android on the other hand is supported by over 6 phone manufacturers and tablet makers and so one, they are able to push dozens of phone models every few months.
Apple did not lose market share, they gained in fact, but Android gained more. Rim on the other hand lost and keeps loosing to both iPhone and Android.
- Apple did not lose market share, they gained in fact, but Android gained more. Rim on the other hand lost and keeps loosing to both iPhone and Android.
- 04-06-2012, 08:07 PM #7
Update: On this news, RIMM may take another hit since the company is no longer located in this "world." You've all been warned.
- 04-06-2012, 08:16 PM #10
"Data for installed base for UK, and market share for various countries Jan 2011/2012. Source: Kantar Worldpanel ComTech"
Not "all." Not "every." Not "worldwide." In fact, not once in the article is "worldwide" share even mentioned.
The truth has set you free.
Sorry, edited my post after reading economist's reply, here's my thinking on it:
If that is the case then the numbers are completely wrong all around, as it has RIM at 18.1% for the total, but none of the sub countries have RIM at anywhere near that #. Ergo I assume the top row is the worldwide figure, as the company is called Kantar Worldpanel. Bad graph regardless.
But RIM is stronger in Africa, Canada, Asia, and South America than any of those countries listed, so I would imagine that is where the figure comes from.
- CrackBerry Abuser
04-06-2012, 08:22 PM #13
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Android had a spectacular year in sales. Given the profits Apple takes home I doubt Apple are sweating the decrease just yet.
You guys are reading the data wrong. The *installed* base, from which the -0.7% and -0.6% are coming from, is for UK only; the marketshare numbers, i.e. sales are for the selected countries. See the asterisk at the bottom of the table.
BTW, are those Australian BB sales numbers for real? Did RIM lose all their carriers there?
ETA: Econ101 posted while I was typing, phooey.
- CrackBerry Abuser
04-06-2012, 08:26 PM #14
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From the article:
The picture that emerges is that the market generally is split into two dominant ecosystems, of Apple and Android. RIM's share is being gradually eroded among consumers, but there is no large-scale shift visible yet towards Windows Phone – which was Elop's hope when he abandoned Symbian for Windows Phone, saying that the smartphone market was a war of ecosystems rather than a battle of handsets.
- 04-06-2012, 08:45 PM #17
No matter how you look at this one thing will never change. C
Apple is the Apple of the medias eye. They can do no wrong.
You also have to consider that apple has THE IPAD and MAC and IPOD lines to also pad the bank.
- CrackBerry User
04-06-2012, 09:00 PM #19
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Neither RIM nor Apple should be worried about absolute market-share. There is still such a vast number of dumb-phone or feature-phone users, that they are all (including Android and MS) competing with non-consumption.
Both companies saw their marketshare decline because the innumerable Android OEMs are replacing dumb-phones with cheap Android phones. That is not a problem... not for RIM, not for Apple.
Android isn't sticky. Android users don't spend a lot of money on apps; and most of them seem to be using Android because it was the cheap-with-subsidy, or just-plain-cheap default phone their carrier sold them.
iOS and BB both bet their future on the stickiness of their platform. iOS users buy lots of apps, and don't want to leave them behind. BB users have their BBM networks, and their secure communication infrastructure and mobile communication practices that they don't want to give up. Both Apple and RIM are more dependent than the Android OEMs on network effects for their success.
Both are more vulnerable to a self-feeding death-spiral if those network effects start to evaporate. That happened to Apple in the '90s. Jobs had to pay court to Microsoft (using ongoing IP litigation and MS's own anti-trust problems as leverage) and to Quicken (showing off prototypes of the iMac and telling a persuasive story of its inevitable consumer success) to convince those vital developers to stay on board. Apple had a tiny window of opportunity to turn around the network-effect-death-spiral, when developers bail, the hardware lacks software, and users bail, encouraging other developers to bail. They were lucky, smart, and aggressive, and pulled it off.
RIM is in the tiny window to pull it off, and they will have to be lucky, smart, and aggressive, too. It is encouraging to see so many upper-level guys leaving. It is also encouraging to see the CEO changing his tune. The management got them into a fix, and most of them need to leave, and the attitude at the very top needs to change, for them to get out of the fix. My hope is that Thorsten has spent the past few years frustrated at the inefficiencies and lack of vision, that his first months as CEO he was treading lightly, and now he has the confidence (and sense of impending doom) necessary to make radical changes.
But, back to the point, absolute numbers matter, not market-share; profit matters, and average selling-price, and for both Apple and RIM, stickiness. Apple is insanely profitable; the app developers make money; and the iOS users buys apps that they won't easily leave behind. So business today is good, and the lock-in suggests that this success will be durable for the foreseeable future.
RIM is not as profitable now as it was, because it built its business and all of its assumptions on its former status as top-dog of the smartphone world. That world has changed, and Thorsten, I hope, recognizes that the version of RIM that can be successful over the next few years will look nothing like the version of RIM of the last few years. But BB10 needs to be good for BB enthusiasts, and retain the stickiness that has nurtured RIM's fan base over the years.
- 04-06-2012, 09:04 PM #21
- 04-07-2012, 12:23 AM #23
Those articles are older then the Playbook...
How many sales did they make with a device that over heats, has spotty wi-fi and NO 4G outside of North America... exactly my point.
5 news articles about 5 different devices are a lot different then the hundreds there should be just on the issues with the new iPad alone. Yes, people may write that Apple will do bad... but the number of articles is slim compared to what it should be
- 04-07-2012, 12:41 AM #24
- 04-07-2012, 01:24 AM #25Yet, by posting those articles, I showed the media clearly does not uniformly agree that Apple can do no wrong. It doesn't matter how old the articles are if the media never changes.
--- in the media a couple of months of news coverage is a long time, so 'never' is a relative term
Your comment was about media coverage, not "sales." In fact, you didn't mention sales at all.
Negative media = no sales.
Ah. So you've gone from "No matter how you look at this one thing will never change. Apple is the Apple of the medias eye" to "yes, people may write that Apple will do bad," which is directly opposite of your initial premise. As for stories on the new iPad, here you go, all recent:
I agree that that was an error on my part.
" Like most products, the new iPad has quirks, but they’re greatly outweighed by the high-points."
Im sorry, but NO 4G in the majority of the world is a bit more then a hiccup... especially when advertised as 4G READY
My question though, is this, how long did it take this 'decline' to happen? RIM was bottomed out in just over a year (stock wise).
Were these news pieces on TV (how many americans subscribe to newspapers vs have TVs)? We are talking about awareness of the general public, not 'tech' minded people ... RIM was on TV ALL THE TIME
Are these on EVERY MAJOR NEWS SOURCE like RIM was?
Dont get me wrong, im not comparing RIM with Apple (just using RIM because it is the most recent example of the media jumping on a bandwagon)... RIM deserves most of the negative media it has received due to its own inaction and bad choices, there is NO denying that.
My point is that with the release of iPad2 and iPhone 4S people were already 'wondering' about Apple, yet the new iPad will see a slight decrease in purchases. If the release of 'questionable' upgrades/releases started in around March 2011 then by now Apple should be feeling something... but they arent getting hit that hard. The iPad release has hit them a bit, but you also have to consider that some people may be taking the 'wow, this is what Apple releases after Jobs dies?' approach and putting A LOT of stock into the impact that Jobs had in the company and the possible direction it will take after his loss.
I dont want to take this thread off topic (which is market share), the point i was making is that the media is 'kinder' to Apple and is far more likely to take a negative stance when dealing with other companies. Would reports of 'Giving Up/ Throwing in The Towel' happen DURING an Apple conference call, or would the reports listen to the entire conversation and research the info? ... there is a clear difference in perception and that is ALL i was saying.
The iPad is GREAT and I LOVE my iPhone... but they have problems just as any other device, but i dont seem to hear about them as much.