The world's most advanced mobile operating system

**_StephenBB81** · 06-09-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by palomartian

And by that logic Android is better than iOS. If you people start getting BlackBerry tattoos it will not surprise me.

Agreed, apparently using the logic that sales means best than Android is better than iOS

But it wasn't an RIM lover that posed this logic but a user that I've had on ignore because they bring zero value to the forums that posed that sales means highest quality,

I wouldn't be surprised if some of "you people" would tattoo a BlackBerry symbol on a gravestone on yourself, you just want to see them die and love to come and promote it so much.

**FlashFlare11** · 06-09-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by NJPhilliesPhan

Sales numbers will prove who the consumer thinks is the most advanced operating system. As of now Apple sales are amazing, if BB10 can come close to those sales numbers then they can claim the same.

Why does RIM need to wait for sales to make that claim? Sales don't dictate quality, only what the consumer wants. In my personal opinion, Android includes the most out-of-the-box functionality than any of the currernt mobile OSs, but sales figures tell you otherwise. RIM's QNX kernel certainly gives them a base to make those claims, and I certainly would love to see them saying it right now without a single BB10 sale.

Sales don't dictate the quality of a product, and the opposite is true as well.

**kbz1960** · 06-09-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by palomartian

Are you in RIM's upper management? That would explain a lot.

No I'm not. You can't deny it is a huge part. If I were I'd have them doing the same thing, do something magical and get the carriers pushing them.

**D_March** · 06-09-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rickroller

Agreed. Even just for general "maintenance" sometimes a reboot is good to do..no matter what OS you're using. However, a battery pull shouldn't be necessary unless the phone is completely locked up and frozen..otherwise a simple power off/reboot is sufficient. If the phone is freezing up consistently then i'd start eliminating apps to find the culprit (the same advice I give anybody using any phone).

Her issue is bad. I have tried but can't find what's causing it. I'm just going to get her the S III when it comes out and hope for the best.

**D_March** · 06-09-2012, 11:32 AM

Xander, my 9900 takes about 1 1/2 minutes to reboot and not every app requires it. I should just ignore you like most everyone else at this point but that was a little too much misinformation. Besides, the playbook never requires it.

**dentynefire** · 06-09-2012, 11:45 AM

relax its typical iMarketing to build hype and you guys fell for it

seriously though, how would they prove it ?? IOS is a good OS but its soo rudimentary (less features) compared to others.

**Rickroller** · 06-09-2012, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sucroid

That's the behaviour of the PB. You don't have to reboot after installing or upgrading an app.

That's also the behavior of every other OS out there..

**sinsin07** · 06-09-2012, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by eKafara

Doesn't make sense making false claims either.

You're right. It makes cent$.

**NJPhilliesPhan** · 06-09-2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by deRusett

Remember sales numbers dictate that the McDonalds Hamburger is the best cut of Beef you can buy

Bud Light is clearly the Best beer ever and no others can compare because it is the best selling as well.

The difference is that McDonalds and Bud products sell at a low price and compete on price, while apple products sell at a premium price. So I don't quite understand why you would bring your up cheap burgers and bear when speaking about a premium mobile device?

**dbmalloy** · 06-09-2012, 12:36 PM

Like what do you expect them to say.... " our OS sucks big time" which it doesn't.... of course their are going to hype it up....

**raino** · 06-09-2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Qbnkelt

Out of eight years of carrying and using Blackberries I have never waited ten minutes for my device to boot up, Xander. I must have been extremely lucky all those times.
The reboot after updating apps is an inconvenience that I manage by choosing to perform later. So I do it before going to bed, right before putting the phone on bedside mode.

Thank you so much for calling him out on that, I was going to do it myself. I've had 3 BBs on 3 different OSes (4,5,6) and have NEVER had to wait longer than 5 minutes. On my 9780, I have nightly reboots scheduled, and my social feeds always updates 5 minutes after the reboot.

**kbz1960** · 06-09-2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by raino

Thank you so much for calling him out on that, I was going to do it myself. I've had 3 BBs on 3 different OSes (4,5,6) and have NEVER had to wait longer than 5 minutes. On my 9780, I have nightly reboots scheduled, and my social feeds always updates 5 minutes after the reboot.

Even my tour known for long reboots never took longer than 3 1/2 minutes. Was never a big deal to me but then again I'm usually not in a big hurry like most people these days.

**Stewartj1** · 06-09-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by xandermac

Does this mean we will finally be able to stop having reboot every time an app is updated and wait 10 minutes for the device to come back up? About time, it's taken 6 years to get there.

Yes, that's exactly how the Playbook currently operates and BB10 will too.

**amazinglygraceless** · 06-09-2012, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by NJPhilliesPhan

Sales numbers will prove who the consumer thinks is the most advanced operating system. As of now Apple sales are amazing, if BB10 can come close to those sales numbers then they can claim the same.

While I understand and on balance agree with the point you are trying to make it should be stated
that what consumers will decide is what they consider to be the most useful and effective OS. Almost
none of their (the average consumer) decision is now, or will be based even remotely on the relative superiority
of one OS vs any other.

**amazinglygraceless** · 06-09-2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by deRusett

Remember sales numbers dictate that the McDonalds Hamburger is the best cut of Beef you can buy

Bud Light is clearly the Best beer ever and no others can compare because it is the best selling as well.

Not like you to be this hyperbolic to make a point but both analogies are way wrong in that neither
company has ever even intimated that based on their sales that they are what you have described them to be.

Both of these companies, and any other that can be sited, have sales numbers that indicate their
popularity. That really is the only reliable metric one can safely glean from sales numbers.

**kennyliu** · 06-09-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Houshinto

Ever used a PC?

Ever heard of people who keep saying "microkernel" and "RTOS" in almost every post?

**Doc Z** · 06-09-2012, 02:08 PM

You gotta give it up to Apple. "Most advanced" is something I highly doubt but you can bet that millions of people will think that and buy into it, which of course will translate to another record breaking quarter for them.

**qbnkelt** · 06-09-2012, 02:21 PM

And THAT is the result of catering to what the majority of the people want.
Say what you will, but Apple has been unfailingly mindful of its user base.

**stackberry369** · 06-09-2012, 02:29 PM

If apple told women that the iphone can get them pregnant,they would believe it.and if they told men that it can make them bigger they would buy it.

**Tre Lawrence** · 06-09-2012, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by stackberry369

If apple told women that the iphone can get them pregnant,they would believe it.and if they told men that it can make them bigger they would buy it.

So you by into that nonsense... or don't have a gender?

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**Double_J75** · 06-09-2012, 02:35 PM

I shouldnt have sold my ios then. I could have been in the adult industry!

**berklon** · 06-09-2012, 02:54 PM

Apple may be bending the truth with these types of claims, and their marketing may be a huge reason why they sell so many iPhones - but their customers must like their products because they're sticking around and upgrading. Apple draws them in, but just as important - they kept them there.

RIMs marketing takes a lot of blame, but all the marketing and claims mean nothing if they don't provide products that keep their customers from leaving.

So even if BB10 winds up being the "most advanced mobile operating system" - why would people care since there's nothing important enough that BB10 offers over iOS or Android (and still has less apps)? iOS and Android's OS may be "advanced" enough for most people.

**BlackStormRising** · 06-09-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by NJPhilliesPhan

The difference is that McDonalds and Bud products sell at a low price and compete on price, while apple products sell at a premium price. So I don't quite understand why you would bring your up cheap burgers and bear when speaking about a premium mobile device?

Price isn't a factor if the carrier is subsidizing the sale. It was easy to pick up an unlocked iPhone4 in Toronto when the device was "sold out". Just had to pay full price, but most people chose to go on a waiting list for a locked one instead.

**lscm** · 06-09-2012, 03:06 PM

Just a thought,
If the new Apple operating system is going to be so advanced.
Would existing applications run on it?
could this be done with the existing coding or would it have to be something new?
If it is new, would developers not have had notice of this so they can get applications ready for launch?
RIM have BB10 and QNX which required them to offer lots of developer tools and have the Jam sessions to help the developers.
Have Apple done this?
as you can tell i am no expert but thought this would be a couple of "simple" questions?
thanks

**tchocky77** · 06-09-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by berklon

Apple may be bending the truth with these types of claims, and their marketing may be a huge reason why they sell so many iPhones - but their customers must like their products because they're sticking around and upgrading. Apple draws them in, but just as important - they kept them there.

RIMs marketing takes a lot of blame, but all the marketing and claims mean nothing if they don't provide products that keep their customers from leaving.

So even if BB10 winds up being the "most advanced mobile operating system" - why would people care since there's nothing important enough that BB10 offers over iOS or Android (and still has less apps)? iOS and Android's OS may be "advanced" enough for most people.

^This^ One metric that doesn't get discussed here much is Apple's untouched brand loyalty. The sales numbers are what they are because people who buy iProducts buy them repeatedly. No one else comes near them in terms of customer satisfaction/brand loyalty.