what's going on.

[Economist101]

Originally Posted by mike-berry

You agreed to the terms of service. They hold the right to revoke at anytime.

Their right to change the terms of service does not include removing content from a user's hard drive. Nice try, but I'm fairly certain that between the two of us, I'm the only one with professional experience in contracts.

Originally Posted by mike-berry

Economist don't get your face involved in my .02 cents brah.

I think ".02 cents" overstates things a bit.

[mike-berry]

Originally Posted by Economist101

Their right to change the terms of service does not include removing content from a user's hard drive. Nice try, but I'm fairly certain that between the two of us, I'm the only one with professional experience in contracts. Nice try, though.







I think ".02 cents" overstates things a bit.

Where did I say anything about going onto your hard drive? Revoking licenses ring a bell?

Must be hard to get around with a stick up your all the time. Go over to the apple fan boys site

Kthxbai

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[Economist101]

Originally Posted by mike-berry

Where did I say anything about going onto your hard drive? Revoking licenses ring a bell?

They can revoke any "license" they want, it still won't stop me from using the music that's on my hard drive. In fact, the status of the license is irrelevant to me since it doesn't affect my usage. But feel free to keep trying to be right. Maybe you'll get there eventually.

Originally Posted by mike-berry

Must be hard to get around with a stick up your all the time.

You tell me.

[mike-berry]

Originally Posted by Economist101

They can revoke any "license" they want, it still won't stop me from using the music that's on my hard drive. In fact, the status of the license is irrelevant to me since it doesn't affect my usage. But feel free to keep trying to be right. Maybe you'll get there eventually.







You tell me.

Not trying to be right. Just stating a point that after licenses being revoked legally you are not allowed to use it. I thought you knew stuff about law?

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[Economist101]

Originally Posted by mike-berry

Not trying to be right. Just stating a point that after licenses being revoked legally you are not allowed to use it. I thought you knew stuff about law?

Well, if you knew about the law, you'd know that if Apple were to revoke my license in a way that prevented me from using the music which I legally purchased, they would also have to refund my money. Otherwise they'd be on the receiving end of a class action lawsuit with 200 million plaintiffs, each with a perfectly valid claim.

[mike-berry]

Originally Posted by Economist101

Well, if you knew about the law, you'd know that if Apple were to revoke my license in a way that prevented me from using the music which I legally purchased, they would also have to refund my money. Otherwise they'd be on the receiving end of a class action lawsuit with 200 million plaintiffs, each with a perfectly valid claim.

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?
Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?
Steam on computer, account gets banned you lose games you're gonna sue?

I suppose you're one of those people who careless of what they do and say "they didn't say anything about it so I can do it". Or "its not illegal if you get caught".

Going to sue a charity for not giving you a "perk" to donating even though your are "donating"?

What a society in which we live in which are so sue happy its unbelievable. Or doing things that are wrong but because its not explicitly stated, done anyway. Cmon sue people because termination of service even though you agree to the ToS. Your probably one of those people who make insurance so high because you claim a mistake done by you to be a hit and run. What ever works in your favor. Have at er' because that's all we need is more people like you.

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[Superfly_FR]

... and the question was "what's going on" ?
Looks like we've got S.E.O specialists here ...

[dandbj13]

Originally Posted by VanCity778

I have never been an Apple fan. Steve Jobs had some extreme views on media ownership. He envisioned a world that no single person owned a song or movie. This is why you see a shift towards icloud. Steve wanted a world where you paid for a song/movie but you never really owned it. You were granted access to it but it was never yours. I can never support Apple for that main reason.

This feels tangential to the thread, but in the event it's on topic:

Steve Jobs didn't invent music licensing. He simply made it a viable business. In an open letter he famously wrote to the music industry, He made it clear that he never wanted DRM. He wanted unencumbered music for iTunes. It was the labels that refused to provide it. When they finally relented, they gave unencumbered music to everyone but Apple. Apple was the last to get it.

Speaking of licensed music that you don't technically own, tell me more about BBM Music?

[Vindicators]

Originally Posted by mike-berry

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?
Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?
Steam on computer, account gets banned you lose games you're gonna sue?

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In customer POV, iTunes songs does not come with DRM, just like you buy a CD, you own it.
You should compare Steam, Xbox Live with music services like Spotify, Napster, Zune Pass

[kbz1960]

If companies and people are always too invested in a platform that means those people will never change to something different. We know that happens all the time so untrue.

[Economist101]

Originally Posted by mike-berry

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?

A repossession generally arises from a debtor's failure to make payments; as per the contract, if the debtor enters default, the lender retains the right to repossess the vehicle. At last check, Apple doesn't accept monthly payment plans for individual songs, movies or television shows, so there is no ongoing payment required and thus no way an "iTunes song repossession" would occur because of the failure to make payments.

Originally Posted by mike-berry

Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?

Again, MS doesn't just ban you because it's a Tuesday and they have a quota. From what I've read, it normally results from a member's own actions. Again, that's not what you're alleging here, which is that Apple could revoke someone's license and keep their money just because the EULA said so.

Originally Posted by mike-berry

I suppose you're one of those people who careless of what they do and say "they didn't say anything about it so I can do it". Or "its not illegal if you get caught".

No, I'm not.

Originally Posted by mike-berry

Going to sue a charity for not giving you a "perk" to donating even though your are "donating"?

Okay I don't see how this is at all similar to your premise.

Originally Posted by mike-berry

What a society in which we live in which are so sue happy its unbelievable. Or doing things that are wrong but because its not explicitly stated, done anyway. Cmon sue people because termination of service even though you agree to the ToS. Your probably one of those people who make insurance so high because you claim a mistake done by you to be a hit and run. What ever works in your favor. Have at er' because that's all we need is more people like you.

Ah. So if your car is completely paid for, and your lender said "Surprise! We're going to take your car back because, you know, it's in the contract. Oh, and we're going to keep your money too," you would just let that happen because you're not "sue happy." Got it.

As for me making insurance high, I've gone ahead and attached a summary of my most recent auto insurance renewal. I apologize for the fading, but I had to print it, black over the identifying info, scan, print again, etc. At any rate, you'll note the date at the top right, the 6 month policy premium ($493.50) and the coverage (500/500/100 against the California legal limit of 15/30/5) as well as all my discounts and the absence of any "surcharges" (which is what you get when you have a point-inducing ticket or an at-fault accident). In other words, if by "people like [me]" you mean "people with more than adequate insurance who don't cause accidents and don't get tickets," I think most would agree you can't have too many of us.

[southlander]

Originally Posted by rmjones101

At most, each school would have 1, maybe 2, Apple IIe machines just to play around with, but was never predominate in the school system.

I grew up in a very small rural area. Our whole high school only had like 500 students total. But I took a programming class using Apple II's (basic). We had about 12 of them in the classroom. 19...er 83-84. Apple did have a foothold. I remember back when they just about collapsed at the dawn of the web, one of the biggest stories in Mac vs. PC was how Dell was running around and getting schools to replace their Macs with PCs running Windows 95/98.

[sinsin07]

Originally Posted by mike-berry

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?
Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?
Steam on computer, account gets banned you lose games you're gonna sue?

I suppose you're one of those people who careless of what they do and say "they didn't say anything about it so I can do it". Or "its not illegal if you get caught".

Going to sue a charity for not giving you a "perk" to donating even though your are "donating"?

What a society in which we live in which are so sue happy its unbelievable. Or doing things that are wrong but because its not explicitly stated, done anyway. Cmon sue people because termination of service even though you agree to the ToS. Your probably one of those people who make insurance so high because you claim a mistake done by you to be a hit and run. What ever works in your favor. Have at er' because that's all we need is more people like you.

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Keyboards are a dangerous thing in the wrong hands.

[phoreoneone]

there were rumors surfacing around earlier that RIM would be opening their BES enterprise service up for other cell phone manufacturers. So maybe governments are getting ready for androids/apple devices to be transferred on to this "network"

[Superfly_FR]

Originally Posted by phoreoneone

there were rumors surfacing around earlier that RIM would be opening their BES enterprise service up for other cell phone manufacturers. So maybe governments are getting ready for androids/apple devices to be transferred on to this "network"

It's not rumor, it's officially announced here : BlackBerry - Mobile Fusion - Manage BlackBerry Apple iOS & Android Devices
And yes, most likely, loyal users will use this platform to open securely their networks to other brands/systems, which means, somehow, "yes, apple/ Android can help RIM"