[Blacklatino]

I hope Thor gets torn a new one about the delay in the Q&A session of the call. This is just plain awful. They have kept people from buying OS7 devices because BB10 was supposed to be out Early 2012, then latter 2012 and now Q1 2013. They are also messing with developers who may have been psyched to get BB10 apps to market in the fall and start making some cash. You are your own worse enemy RIM. Android and Apple and WP7 weren't perfect at release, and still are not, nothing ever is. If you are chasing perfection with BB10 then you are fools. Something definitely isn't right with this. I'm almost hoping someone just buys them that can infuse some cash and light a fire under some asses. I'm sick and tired of RIM missing deadlines and apparently Thor is a chip off the former co-CEO's block when it comes to delivering product.

Totally agree with your post.
To others, please don't be naive to think this is just about the BB10 launch taking too long. It's not that simple. Think about it.

[JTATL]

I believe they are having problem shrinking qnx to a small device and I believe the real problem may be that bbm doesn't work with qnx the same reason it may not have come to the playbook

If the problem is bbm doesn't work with qnx that's a problem because bbm is the franchise

[JTATL]

Dafuq? you are pissing out of the toilet brody. Thats 100% opposite of why people here are keeping the blackberry phones from all the posts lately. Its either keyboard, or simply the brand, or because it works for them, or the LED notification, or all four, BBM is probably the least reason.

Besides, his point was that its not BBM causing the delay. BBM is just a simple application, like the calendar or the browser. It may be the BIS framework implementation causing the delay, but its not BBM.

BBM is crucial to business it's secure instant messaging if bb 10 qnx can't run it , RIM will lose the enterprise market .

[amazinglygraceless]

If the problem is bbm doesn't work with qnx that's a problem because bbm is the franchise

BBM is crucial to business it's secure instant messaging if bb 10 qnx can't run it , RIM will lose the enterprise market .

You know this is nonsense don't you?

[rotorwrench]

I don't know if there's anything 'wrong' with BB10 as such... Personally I would guess they have hit problems getting the devices built rather than the software. I mean the alpha devices are out now, so enough has to be set in stone about the software that its stable enough to go to devs.

Maybe the BB10 devices are being pushed back to take advantage of a next generation of chips ? That would make sense to me. Maybe they want to launch with so many ghz that people have to pay attention, and that means waiting *shrug*.

Don't forget that Apple worked on the iPhone for three years before release.

[jivegirl14]

For what it's worth, my speculation is this:
That within 4 months, 6 at the most, RIM will be sold... and that they might be bought by Microsoft ( as friend of mine was telling me MS has made some kind of offer). I believe that if they are bought by Microsoft the deal would mean all (new) BB devices would have to run Windows Mobile 8. No ifs or buts, that would be the deal. Which means there will be no BB10. I'm beginning to believe there isn't going to be a BB10 anyway (if in fact a BB10 phone exists) but that's just to shut people up.. for now. If I'm wrong, well great. "We anticipate..." is often loaded corporate-speak for "it may or may not happen."

I think MS will buy or pick and choose which patents they want (QNX?).
MS would have to delay the launch of their WM8... but it might be worth it to them in this scenario because RIM still has a lot of value. I also don't think RIM management has changed all that much, still a lot of foggy hubris at the top. Dare I say arrogance?

Given RIM's vast proprietry network service, if the above is true MS might not be a bad choice. At least they have experience of working with enterprises.... and lots of cash.
As I said, it's just speculation on my part... But I would not be at all surprised if something similar to this scenario was to play out. RIM hasn't told the whole story and who knows, they may simply be buying time for the buyer (whoever that may be) and them to agree terms.
Time will tell.

RIM should never have abandoned their core customers and what they knew - enterprise - for a sortie into consumer-land. If they were focused they might have been able to win the war against Apple but of course they ignored Apple and allowed Android to get a foothold. I think, really that's when it was all over. How could they fight both Apple and Android for consumers?
They should never have lost focus by trying to acquire that hockey team,
never should have been so arrogant and dismissive of all the warning signs.

It's all very sad. But at the same time I don't get the feeling that they're particularly sorry.

[trsbbs]

Right now the only thing keeping BB in my life right now is Bridging.

If someone else comes out with a bridge feature it could be bye bye to BB.

i suspect I would not be alone in this.

Many are getting to the "who cares" what RIM says stage.

Tim

[Detective M Downs]

People keep saying 90-days and/or January 2013, but RIM said Q1 2013; which to me means revealed at some tech conference in February, and released in March.

[trsbbs]

Don't forget that Apple worked on the iPhone for three years before release.

Dont fotget that RIM has been making phones longer then Apple.

Tim

[h20work]

Right now the only thing keeping BB in my life right now is Bridging.

If someone else comes out with a bridge feature it could be bye bye to BB.

i suspect I would not be alone in this.

Many are getting to the "who cares" what RIM says stage.

Tim

If windows 8 can bridge, i'm on it like white on rice. My torch is getting old and the pb still can't email worth a damn.

[h20work]

Don't forget that Apple worked on the iPhone for three years before release.

How long has rim been working on pbos and qnx?

[lnichols]

Don't forget that Apple worked on the iPhone for three years before release.

And they had zero phone experience. RIM has been doing this for how long? They already knew a list of features the phone had to support (everything a BB does). Nope this is them going up Adobe's anus to make AIR and flash the building blocks then having to go to Cascades when Adobe abandoned the mobile space. We still don't have BBM or decent PIM/e-mail on the Playbook.

[pythons]

My vote is with the others who believe something in the way of a sale is underway...
...The Playbook I bought months and months ago is esentially still in the beta stage.
...& certainly, IF RIM had the ability to do right by the Playbook they would have, BY NOW!

What we witnessed at the BB show where the BB10 was shown off was more than likely "concept art"....
...Similar to how a company hypes up a game they ARE bringing to the table.
...Understand the game isn't ON the table but they say it will be and see how cool it WILL be.

If those of us who purchased Playbooks woke up one morning to an update that moved the slab from beta to retail....
...There would be hope that BB10 was just getting the final kinks out of the system and a severe vetting in house prior to release.
...As it stands does anyone believe BB10 will be released prior to the Playbook being able to open .pdf as good as an ipad?

It's just a reality check people - Thor may be the right guy to be in the wheel-house of the ship that's RIM....
...But push come to shove he would kick the legs out from under your chair & be buggering ya before you hit the floor.
...This is simply business people.

I just hope IF what some of us suspect actually happens there isn't some kind of mass mad rush here at CB....
...To catch the spaceship bringing up the rear of the Hale Bopp comet.
...RIM is paying a heavy price now for their LAZINESS in R&D, period.
...Just like any other company has.

RIM has cash & that's VERY good for them - who knows what they are really planning right now....
...I know as long as what I've always liked about Blackberry is retained IF it's sold to Microsoft.
...I would buy it without a second thought!

I'm willing to bet that hordes of people would be buying the 9900 or 9930 and every other current BB.....
...If they ONLY could do 1/2 of what IOS and DROID can do with Apps.
...We wouldn't be here right now talking about this.

[RHCE]

I remember my long development days with QNX Neutrino 16 years ago. QNX isnt a walk in the park with birds chirping beautiful sunshine with flowers blooming. I guess a lot of people on here never opened QNX up and took a dive its jurassic park 3 inside. I believe what alec is saying hes a genuine guy.
PS: I hope RIM finishes up, i am ready to leave linux and comeback home to coding and designing for QNX again.

Good luck RIM

[AlienSlacker]

Im just curious as to why the assumption is automatically that something is terribly wrong. The delay could be for any one of a million reasons. With all due respect to all the arm chair quarterbacks Rim knows exactly down to the penny what their financial situation is and what the competition is up to. It could just be that releasing in Q1 of 2013 puts Rim and BB10 in a better strategic position for success.

[katiepea]

Well the 1st quarter of the year is historically the worst sales quarter for tech companies seeing as how millions of people do that shopping prior to Christmas . That means millions of new cell phone contracts.

[southlander]

People keep saying 90-days and/or January 2013, but RIM said Q1 2013; which to me means revealed at some tech conference in February, and released in March.

Yeah. If I had to guess I would say CES2013 is when we actually first see a finished product. Shipping in the spring. Just a guess.

Sent from my flip-phone.

[meltbox360]

Jobs from same earnings call:
He said about the 7-inch tablet competitors:

“The seven-inch tablets are tweeners: too big to compete with a smartphone, and too small to compete with an iPad.”

RIM endured a pincer attack from Jobs during the call, in which he said the firm "has a high mountain to climb" after he claimed that Apple's Iphone had surpassed sales of RIM's Blackberry smartphone. Jobs added that he doesn't "see them catching up with us in the foreseeable future." He then followed by claiming that RIM's Playbook, a 7-inch tablet pitched towards businesses, would be "dead on arrival".

Prophetic

This was RIM's respond: [/I]
Jim Balsillie, co-CEO of RIM shot back at Jobs with some numbers of his own on CrackBerry.com:

“For those of us who live outside of Apple’s distortion field, we know that 7″ tablets will actually be a big portion of the market and we know that Adobe Flash support actually matters to customers who want a real web experience. We also know that while Apple’s attempt to control the ecosystem and maintain a closed platform may be good for Apple, developers want more options and customers want to fully access the overwhelming majority of web sites that use Flash." ...snip

Not so prophetic.

No not prophetic. I suppose the Kindle fire, nook, and nexus 7 barely sold? Yeah Steve Jobs was wrong and android comes with flash. Either person becomes the prophet at a different point in time.

[Coachbulldog]

I'm willing to bet that hordes of people would be buying the 9900 or 9930 and every other current BB.....
...If they ONLY could do 1/2 of what IOS and DROID can do with Apps.
...We wouldn't be here right now talking about this.

I 100% agree with you. I am one of those that would have loved to have purchased a 9930, but the lack of apps and was a biggest deal breaker for me. When the NHL did not release an app for the 2011-12 season I knew those that kept saying "apps will come" were wrong.

[polytope]

I remember my long development days with QNX Neutrino 16 years ago. QNX isnt a walk in the park with birds chirping beautiful sunshine with flowers blooming. I guess a lot of people on here never opened QNX up and took a dive its jurassic park 3 inside. I believe what alec is saying hes a genuine guy.
PS: I hope RIM finishes up, i am ready to leave linux and comeback home to coding and designing for QNX again.

Good luck RIM

What sort of things did you do? Isn't QNX POSIX compliant? Unless you're doing really low level stuff like device drivers, shouldn't it pretty much be like *nix development?

[meltbox360]

And they had zero phone experience. RIM has been doing this for how long? They already knew a list of features the phone had to support (everything a BB does). Nope this is them going up Adobe's anus to make AIR and flash the building blocks then having to go to Cascades when Adobe abandoned the mobile space. We still don't have BBM or decent PIM/e-mail on the Playbook.

Someone can engineer a thousand car models. It doesn't matter how many old tech cars they engineer because when it comes time to engineer a futuristic car that same person will have a hard time. They have experience.... But not with this type of phone OS.

Also if the playbook is beta like people are suggesting then ios 2 and under were at best beta. The playbook is a remarkable product given the time constraints and not bad even if you don't consider how much time they had.

I think RIM is in trouble but people love to pretend RIM is completely incompetent. Stop it.

Did the people in webOS land have this much drama when palm was obviously near death? Maybe people just have a great need to say RIM is near death. They may die, but we are not near that day as of yet.

[joshua_sx1]

Again, I believe there is a failure of internal communication between RIM's Marketing and Production Dept... that when they finally have a management review for the new product, they just realize it is not yet finished... same thing what happen with our PlayBook... but this time, the management decided not to push the unfinished product in the market...


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[dtango]

No not prophetic. I suppose the Kindle fire, nook, and nexus 7 barely sold? Yeah Steve Jobs was wrong and android comes with flash. Either person becomes the prophet at a different point in time.

Nexus7/jelly bean 4.1 will not have flash.

[howarmat]

Nexus7/jelly bean 4.1 will not have flash.

yes it will. Chrome wont have flash but other browser will still support it. I have flash right now using JB.

[katiepea]

yes it will. Chrome wont have flash but other browser will still support it. I have flash right now using JB.

I think this is what he means
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/06/29/adobe-flash-not-certified-for-jelly-bean-will-block-users-from-downloading-it-after-august-15/