[Rumored bomb] Samsung ready for apple apps compatibility
Of course I won't state anyhow of the source, neither will I go further in details that could lead to his/her identification. Please take it as a rumor and say this will be for the record, but also to put another brick in the debate about Samsung licensing BB10 or investing in RIM. They'll go "full monty" ... ouch ?
Edit : to be more accurate, the title may include this "Samsung TECHNICALLY ready for ..."
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- 05-07-2012, 05:05 AM #2
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05-07-2012, 05:07 AM #3
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I can see what Samsung might hope to gain from that arrangement, but what would Apple gain from opening up their closed ecosystem to a rival?
At the moment, if you want to run Apple Apps, you have to buy an iPhone/iPad. Why would Apple want to make it easy for you to not buy their phone/tablet, and instead buy a rival product?Proud Member of the PlayBook Beta Test Team (Since June 2011)
- 05-07-2012, 05:59 AM #7
Not so high a [technical] hurdle
Given how simplistic IOS is as an operating environment, I wouldn't think this was much of a technical challenge to Samsung. However, if you know anything about Apple's history of protecting their ecosystem, you would think, like I do, this is nonsense. Yes they may be able to run IOS apps on Samsung hardware but, I doubt this will ever be a legitimate product. Although it could show up in those countries where copyrights and patents are not so well respected.A new paradigm is coming. Can you feel the shifting zeitgeist?
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05-07-2012, 07:37 AM #10
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Samsung ditching android would not be a big surprise to me, but saying they will be using iOS(or "apps") is an interesting statement.
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05-07-2012, 07:38 AM #11
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Maybe I'm mis-informed, but doesn't Apple depend on Samsung to provide certain critical parts for the iPad? If so, I don't understand the frequent serial lawsuits Apple engages in against Samsung and others, and why the love-hate relationship between these two tech monsters? One would think that given this dependent relationship, that both would benefit from sharing of their respective technologies.If You Can Read This, Thank a Teacher...if it's in English, Thank a Soldier
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- 05-07-2012, 07:42 AM #12
CFs are everywhere
Their Dear [dead] Leader Steve was the control freak of control freaks. That attitude permeates all layers of Apple. It does not surprise me they would brings suits, even when it is not in their best business interest, against anyone who tries to free their customers from their grip.A new paradigm is coming. Can you feel the shifting zeitgeist?
05-07-2012, 07:48 AM #13
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You didn't think Samsung and Apple were operating under an informal agreement, did you?
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Look at it this way: every NBA team depends on the other NBA teams; they need someone to play, and if all teams aren't at more-or-less the same level of ability, the games are boring, and no one will want to watch. The players all know each other, and many have played on the same team over the years. But on the field, each team will deliberately commit as many fouls as they can get away with, in the service of their game plan. It isn't personal; it is just business.
When it comes to lawsuits about trademarks, a company is obliged to sue anyone who seems to be infringing; the law says that if you don't protect your trademarks, you lose them.
But back to the tools: each of those companies is legally obliged to use every tool at its disposal in the service of profit for its shareholders. They have no obligation to be nice, to lay off the underdog, to act like gentlemen.
It is in Apple's interest to buy manufacturing capacity from Samsung and to sue Samsung when it looks like--or when they think they can make a case that--Samsung is infringing on Apple's IP. It is in Samsung's interest to sell manufacturing capacity to Apple, and to copy Apple's success to the greatest extent that they can get away with.
So their CEO's will meet with the in-house lawyers in the morning about ongoing lawsuits against everyone and their brother, and in the afternoon have cordial meetings about ongoing mutually profitable relationships with the CEOs of same companies they are suing.
The agreements result in us having nice tech at good prices. The lawsuits encourage everyone to have new ideas, rather than rehashing old ones. It is foolish to have an emotional reaction to what has been the natural course of human commerce for three thousand years.
The ones to despise are the true Patent Trolls, companies that don't actually make anything, don't actually employ workers, don't actually invent new technologies or write new software, but buy up patents for the sole purpose of suing. Those guys are parasites.
- 05-07-2012, 10:48 AM #17
this is pure fiction and can happen only in ones dreams.
why would it? is Apple beading cash to license it?
IOS is not Android? it is a closed source? nobody except Apple knows a freaking thing about IOS internals, Apple sues companies for ridiculously irrelevant things and can you imagine someone infringe their copyrights.
Thirdly hardware incompatibilities esp screen sizes etc
- 05-07-2012, 10:51 AM #18
Nothing stopping Samsung from allowing a cydia store to run on their devices
I believe the Devs own the rights to their apps so its concievable they would allow them to run on a Non ios device.
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- 05-07-2012, 12:14 PM #20
Don't need to know. Don't want to know.
You can't copy IOS without the source code but, you can duplicate the functions in IOS pretty easily. Since IOS apps simply make calls to IOS functions and expect a specific return code, it is easy to write a function that takes the same arguments, performs the same action and returns the same code. The time consuming part is duplicating the user interface components. And that is where the copyright problems are. However, you could create a completely different looking UI that allows IOS apps to function.
You could, for example, take the Android UI, re-write it to run on IOS core and run IOS apps in an Android UI. This would take some work but, it is very doable.
As to the hardware differences, if you have a higher res screen, you can create a window on that screen with the iPhone res and aspect ratio to solve the screen issue. Just virtualize all the hardware and the apps won't know the difference. The CPU instructions are the hard part. You would really want to use the same CPU (family) as the iPhone.A new paradigm is coming. Can you feel the shifting zeitgeist?
- 05-07-2012, 12:21 PM #21
The iPhone ed itself. Steve Jobs wanted to release the iPhone on a closed carrier network, which is to say steve wanted to play in the carrier game. SOLEY with their device. However in signing exclusively to ATT (because let's face it, using infrastructure already there is easier than building from the ground) they brought something they COULDNT control to the market. The demand for the iPhone and their innovation will literally eat Apple until they've employed all their IP before they can release new products (that are actually relevant). Samsung would need to create a ecosystem that supports APPLE apps not borrow iOS. Because it'll never happen. Ever.It's Never Too Late to Be Bold You can find my musing over at BerryFlow.com | @jmznvs
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05-07-2012, 12:37 PM #22one of these days see me drivin' round town in my rock 'n' rolls Royce with the sun roof down
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- 05-07-2012, 01:15 PM #23
Why are we going back to Mac BIOS, keep it simple, software development is something I do for my living for the past 15 years, basically it is not only difficult but impossible unless Apple makes their IOS source code open-source.
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- 05-07-2012, 01:23 PM #25
Also, WINE is terrible and we've all seen how terrible it is at keeping up with how Windows evolves and expands the Win32 API. That is why Duplication efforts are all pretty terrible.
Reverse engineering and duplicating a BIOS module is not the same as rewriting the entire collection of iOS APIs to ensure cross platform App Compatibility.
On Android this is easy becuase you have access to the source and can reuse it. On iOS you will be forced to do things the WINE way which hasn't even worked out that well for the WINE team themselves. Good Luck. Samsung isn't known for having exceptional software developers, either...
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