RIM unveils PlayBook update, but is it too little, too late? (from Torontostar)

[paranee2]

RIM need to improve public media relation
here's another one from Torontostart.ca

RIM unveils PlayBook update, but is it too little, too late?

RIM unveils PlayBook update, but is it too little, too late? - thestar.com

[BENZ_O]

The Toronto Star always posts neg stuff on RIM. The people that write these articles are stupid and don't know nothing about RIM. Just like the articles Damin Cox writes about the Leafs. Guy annoys me

[Thunderbuck]

Originally Posted by BENZ_O

The Toronto Star always posts neg stuff on RIM. The people that write these articles are stupid and don't know nothing about RIM. Just like the articles Damin Cox writes about the Leafs. Guy annoys me

Okay, but generally speaking, shooting the messenger comes off as being a little whiny.

The fact RIM is going to have to face as they try to rehabilitate the Playbook is that a great many people will perceive the 2.0 enhancements as stuff that should have been there in the first place. This week, I've found myself wondering if the Playbook could have launched with this OS had they decided to hold off on the launch until, say, August or September.

I DO think the new messaging system puts the Playbook above the competition. And Blackberry Remote is just incredibly cool. With no new devices, though, RIM could only count on so much attention. Hopefully RIM hits the ground running as they go (back) to market.

[TheScionicMan]

If we were nearing the end of people buying tablets, then their headline might make sense. It's a growing market. The idea that nobody else should make a tablet because iPad has perfected it is ludicrous and lacks insight. Why did anyone else bother to make a smartphone when RIM had the market dominated? Things change, new ideas evolve.

No company should bother making beer or hamburgers, because Budweiser and McDonald's sell the most, so they obviously make the best ones. I can discern this without even tasting another burger, because the sales numbers prove it...

Too little too late is a nonsense phrase used to pile on the negativity. Everything new in the iPhone 4S should have been in the iPhone 4. See, anyone can do it. This concept of not evaluating something for how it works NOW because someone wanted it BEFORE is not logical.

[i7guy]

Originally Posted by Thunderbuck

Okay, but generally speaking, shooting the messenger comes off as being a little whiny.
...snip...

These aren't messengers, they are faux-messengers. Repeating a talking point is not being a messenger.

[i7guy]

Originally Posted by TheScionicMan

If we were nearing the end of people buying tablets, then their headline might make sense. It's a growing market. The idea that nobody else should make a tablet because iPad has perfected it is ludicrous and not insightful. Why did anyone else bother to make a smartphone when RIM had the market dominated? Things change, new ideas evolve.

No company should bother making beer or hamburgers, because Budweiser and McDonald's sell the most, so they obviously make the best ones. I can discern this without even tasting another burger, because the sales numbers prove it...

Too little too late is a nonsense phrase used to pile on the negativity. Everything new in the iPhone 4S should have been in the iPhone 4. See, anyone can do it. This concept of not evaluating something for how it works NOW because someone wanted it BEFORE is not logical.

You and I think alike, it's scary. So now if you can up my post count, I'd appreciate it....

[skwarek]

Only ignorent people read Toronto Star so no need to worry. Why do i have a feeling this will be Rob Ford's fault.

[Economist101]

Originally Posted by TheScionicMan

If we were nearing the end of people buying tablets, then their headline might make sense. It's a growing market. The idea that nobody else should make a tablet because iPad has perfected it is ludicrous and not insightful. Why did anyone else bother to make a smartphone when RIM had the market dominated? Things change, new ideas evolve.

As straw man set-ups ago, this is pretty poor. The article didn't suggest that "nobody else should make a tablet." In fact, the article highlighted Amazon's success. The issue was whether new software might make the PlayBook a winner. Do you have an argument for their points on that issue?

Originally Posted by TheScionicMan

Too little too late is a nonsense phrase used to pile on the negativity. Everything new in the iPhone 4S should have been in the iPhone 4. See, anyone can do it.

This would be a much more compelling argument if the 4S was performing as poorly as the PlayBook. As for "too little, too late," you're right, it can be a phrase use purely to pile on negativity. But it can also be true. Do you have any evidence to support your belief that the use of the phrase here falls under the former, not the latter? I would point to the $485 million charge as evidence that RIM simply can't afford to remain in the tablet business, but I'm sure you can explain away the charge.

[JD914]

Originally Posted by skwarek

Only ignorent people read Toronto Star so no need to worry. Why do i have a feeling this will be Rob Ford's fault.

So any publication or blog that reports bad news about RIM are for ignorant readers? Gotcha.

[JasW]

Originally Posted by paranee2

RIM need to improve public media relation
here's another one from Torontostart.ca

RIM unveils PlayBook update, but is it too little, too late?

RIM unveils PlayBook update, but is it too little, too late? - thestar.com

Originally Posted by BENZ_O

The Toronto Star always posts neg stuff on RIM. The people that write these articles are stupid and don't know nothing about RIM. Just like the articles Damin Cox writes about the Leafs. Guy annoys me

This is only nominally from the Toronto Star -- it's actually a Bloomberg wire piece that came out yesterday. Look at the byline.

And it was originally commented on ad nauseam here yesterday:

Article: RIM Seen Too Late With E-Mail Playbook Dominated by iPad

[skwarek]

Originally Posted by JD914

So any publication or blog that reports bad news about RIM are for ignorant readers? Gotcha.

Exactly my point. I never mention RIM in my post, but you automatically assumed I did.

[kbz1960]

Yes it is too little too late for those that have all ready wrote it off.

No it is not too little too late for the millions that do not own a tablet and might some day.

[sleepngbear]

Originally Posted by Thunderbuck

Okay, but generally speaking, shooting the messenger comes off as being a little whiny.

The fact RIM is going to have to face as they try to rehabilitate the Playbook is that a great many people will perceive the 2.0 enhancements as stuff that should have been there in the first place. This week, I've found myself wondering if the Playbook could have launched with this OS had they decided to hold off on the launch until, say, August or September.

I DO think the new messaging system puts the Playbook above the competition. And Blackberry Remote is just incredibly cool. With no new devices, though, RIM could only count on so much attention. Hopefully RIM hits the ground running as they go (back) to market.

And that right there is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what RIM could have or should have done 10 months ago; what matters is where this OS update puts this tablet now and in the near future. If the perception is that the PlayBook is now all that was promopised and it is as good or better than the present competition, its position in the market can only improve. Putting it in the hands of so many more users with this latest fire sale will spread that perception that much faster.

[Knightcrawler]

Originally Posted by TheScionicMan

If we were nearing the end of people buying tablets, then their headline might make sense. It's a growing market. The idea that nobody else should make a tablet because iPad has perfected it is ludicrous and lacks insight. Why did anyone else bother to make a smartphone when RIM had the market dominated? Things change, new ideas evolve.

No company should bother making beer or hamburgers, because Budweiser and McDonald's sell the most, so they obviously make the best ones. I can discern this without even tasting another burger, because the sales numbers prove it...

Too little too late is a nonsense phrase used to pile on the negativity. Everything new in the iPhone 4S should have been in the iPhone 4. See, anyone can do it. This concept of not evaluating something for how it works NOW because someone wanted it BEFORE is not logical.

my thoughts exactly. we hear a lot of dismissive phrases like this, but what exactly is too little or too late? the new email features are far better then anything offered by the competition (as well as the calender and contacts features) and unless the world actually ends this coming december, it is by no means too late. will it have the dominance that the ipad is currently enjoying? probably not. but it also wont vanish into obscurity because rims hold on the corporate sector is far too strong. the pb is the only tablet that can be used in the same way as the blackberries have been for the past decade, ie: for corporate organization and productivity......and the fact that rim realizes this and is focusing on catering the pb to that market is a good sign.

its not "too late" by any stretch of the imagination because that statement implies a definite end point for the tablet market and technological innovation in general. i dont see that happening, do you?

[i7guy]

Originally Posted by JD914

So any publication or blog that reports bad news about RIM are for ignorant readers? Gotcha.

When Jim and Mike report in quarterly earnings report that sales and profits are down, they are the messengers.

When the Toronto Star reports that Bloomberg said that Jim and Mike reported that sales and profits are down, they are playing telephone. It looks like reporting, but it's really parroting. This happens all the time under the guise of "news".