RIM’s BlackBerry grown from 8% to just over 30%

[Habs_fan]

iOS still tops Canadian mobile charts, BlackBerry grew in 2011: Statcounter | MobileSyrup.com

"Based on some of the information we gleaned from the Pingdom worldwide statistics this morning, we discovered the source of its information: Statcounter. And while there, we decided to take a look at the current state of affairs in Canada. Now, this may not gel so well with some of the other analytics companies, Comscore and such, but it’s an interesting cross-section of the current state of affairs in the Canadian mobile market as of December 2011.

According to the charts, iOS still rules the roost with over 49% of market share, but that has been steadily dropping this year from a peak of 68% in March, though it regained from its lowest point of 38% in June. Such peaks and valleys in so short a period likely means that the polling size is rather small (minute, even) so we’ll take these numbers with a grain of salt.

RIM’s BlackBerry OS seems to have grown from 8% in January to just over 30% in December, while Android has grown from 7% at the beginning of the year just over 16% today.

The interesting spike and subsequent dip in Symbian OS is a bit confusing, but there have been some low-cost Nokia offerings launched by WIND and Mobilicity this year, but it wouldn’t have likely accounted for a 26% spike between March and June.

Nevertheless, if we look at the graph in relation to the other operating systems, it doesn’t look the same as the one we showed you this morning. iOS dominates the Canadian market, while RIM has grown quite comfortably in 2011, especially since the launch of its BlackBerry 7 devices. And while Android has gained significant market share across the world, its growth is rather more tepid here."

[maam]

Go canada!!

[dave1812]

ah, is this a case of "figures lie"?

[MobilePhanatic]

So Canada will save RIM? Awesome

[the_sleuth]

Funny. Nokia with all it's problems this year, still rules globally.

[howarmat]

^^remember this is flip/feature phone too not just smartphone i think

[Economist101]

Originally Posted by the_sleuth

Funny. Nokia with all it's problems this year, still rules globally.

Whereby "rules" you mean "sold 100+ million devices in a single quarter yet lost money."

Nokia Earnings Dip, With Windows Phone Test Still to Come - Mobile and Wireless - News & Reviews - eWeek.com

"On Oct. 20, Nokia reported third-quarter net sales of $12.3 billion, a year-over-year decline of 13 percent, with operating losses of $98.4 million. It sold 16.8 million "smart devices" and 89.9 million mobile phones, the latter apparently somewhat above most analysts' expectations."

[the_sleuth]

The chart does not lie. Yes there are different versions of Symbian OS as there are different versions of Android. It appears Android's gains are all at the expense of BB OS is all I am getting at here.

[the_sleuth]

Ah yes, Economist has come to snipe.

Market share does not equal profits. Just ask Microsoft how profitable it's Xbox franchise has been the last decade? Or why Motorola or HTC have struggled with profitability this year.

Originally Posted by Economist101

Whereby "rules" you mean "sold 100+ million devices in a single quarter yet lost money."

Nokia Earnings Dip, With Windows Phone Test Still to Come - Mobile and Wireless - News & Reviews - eWeek.com

"On Oct. 20, Nokia reported third-quarter net sales of $12.3 billion, a year-over-year decline of 13 percent, with operating losses of $98.4 million. It sold 16.8 million "smart devices" and 89.9 million mobile phones, the latter apparently somewhat above most analysts' expectations."

[Palmless]

Originally Posted by dave1812

ah, is this a case of "figures lie"?

You mean:

"Is this a case of 'figures lie', eh?"

[Economist101]

Originally Posted by the_sleuth

Ah yes, Economist has come to snipe.

I'm here to help. By the way, you should consider offering arguments that are supported by sound reasoning and facts. Those are much harder to "snipe."

Originally Posted by the_sleuth

Market share does not equal profits.

That was the point of my comment. Yes, Nokia "rules" in terms of overall phone market share, but since market share is meaningless without profit, what exactly is Nokia ruling?

Originally Posted by the_sleuth

Just ask Microsoft how profitable it's Xbox franchise has been the last decade?

Not very profitable at all, which is why it's good the Xbox isn't Microsoft's core business, and also why Microsoft isn't analogous to Nokia. Unlike Microsoft, which is involved in several different business (operating systems, productivity software, video games), Nokia is a hardware company; as hardware revenues go, so goes the company. Wait! That sounds familiar.

[the_sleuth]

Economist, have you become a cross-eyed old nanny. Look at the above chart again. Nokia's Symbian still has the largest Mobile OS market share . That's just the "facts" ma'am.

my original post did not mention anything about profitability, you just jump from thread to thread to troll with no value-add, you are an externality like pollution (did you attend that economics lecture?)

[dave1812]

Originally Posted by Palmless

You mean:

"Is this a case of 'figures lie', eh?"

No...actually I meant what I wrote. Fair enough?

[HershL]

Two VERY different graphical representations of what is going on...

[Palmless]

Originally Posted by the_sleuth

Economist, have you become a cross-eyed old nanny. Look at the above chart again. Nokia's Symbian still has the largest Mobile OS market share . That's just the "facts" ma'am.

It's a fraction of the facts.

Nokia has top market share, but to hold it, they are pumping out a large quantity of bottom-feeder phones at an overall LOSS to keep their fixed costs close to covered.

To a rank amateur, they "rule". Whoo hoo, we're number one. To a business person they are obviously in a lot of trouble... they can't increase volume, there are only so many impoverished third worlders who want a $25 phone. They can't decreases costs, they already have the BOM hammered down as low as corner-cutting and volume can take it. It is simply a matter of how long can they sustain losses, and the answer is always "not very long".

And it's not as if they are building a loyal customer base, consuming high profit after the sale products and services, or eager to upgrade loyally within the Nokia family. They are buying $2 Chinese chargers and earbuds, and long for they day they can afford something other than a Nokia.

If the fraction of the facts you posted (the chart) was supported by strong profits, then Nokia would have mastered the commodity approach to phone sales. That is not the case. They are in the "We can stay alive until the sales stutter or we run out of cash" death spiral.

This is the flaw in the "RIM is doing great in Nigeria and Oman" argument.

Keep in mind, without a passionate love for one platform or another, this is just another business. You open a book and read how it turned out every single time this game has been played in other industries, and history and common sense say it will turn out the same way again.