- CrackBerry Addict
05-27-2012, 09:48 AM #76
- 573 Posts
Another round of layoffs is needed and is a pretty standard move in the situation RIM is in.
Unfortunately, like most layoffs - this will hurt them publicity-wise. Many many people already have the impression that RIM is going bankrupt and are either leaving the BB brand or just ignoring it altogether when it's time to purchase a new phone. I've heard many chime that they won't purchase a BB because "the company won't be around much longer". These layoffs add more fuel to that fire to the general public's mind - and will do more to damage future sales.
What makes it worse is that RIM can't counter this bad publicity with a new product for at least 6 more months. It's hard for people not to believe that RIM is going under when they have no new products to release that can compete. RIM can't do anything to stop these rumours and general thoughts about the company - and they have no-one to blame but themselves.
- 05-27-2012, 10:33 AM #77
I got blisters on me fingers! from using Tapatalk.Crackberry super member with posting powers no one else has and sooper sekret identities. Or so I'm told.
- 05-27-2012, 10:48 AM #78
ALL phones have strengths and weaknesses. BB 10 is looking promising. The best thing they've done in a loooong time is kill the OS. The OS is an albatross. The perfect example is wp7.5 - a beautiful, clean, simple interface that works more smoothly than OS 7 on higher powered handsets because it was designed properly.
And considering windows is moving to an Apple like 'all devices connected' ecosystem with the new windows builds for tablets and computers, I don't see wp7.5 going anywhere anytime soon.
I got blisters on me fingers! from using Tapatalk.
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- CrackBerry Abuser
05-27-2012, 11:13 AM #79
- 331 Posts
Developing for Android, iOS, PlayBook (and soon to be BB10) has its own pain. The question is: How much pain are you willing to endure? What is the ROI?
Android is absolutely painful for a part-time mobile freelancer like me. Last time I checked, fewer than 10% of Android devices out in the wild are on ICS. That means that I possibly can't target ICS and expect to have a high download count. So if I want to write an Angry Birds killer, I'd better support Froyo all the way up to ICS. Fragmentation like this is something that pushed me over the edge to abandon Android completely. It's not worth my time. Besides, Android users are generally believed to be unwilling to open their wallets.
iOS has a very stringent policy on what an app can do in the background. I, as a programmer, know what I am doing. I don't want to perform gymnastics in order to avoid having my app killed by the OS because I need to steal a few CPU cycles to do something nifty in the background. And of course there are so many iDevs, including 9-year-olds. It takes a lot more effort to make a mark in iWorld.
The advantages of developing for the PlayBook have been the following for me:
I have already made more money from App World than I have on iTunes App Store. And I still haven't recovered the $99 I paid for the iTunes Connect fee this year through iTunes sale.
So unless you're doing mobile development full-time, it is more attractive to develop for BB10. The tools are great. There is zero fee. And you get decent exposure.
- 05-27-2012, 12:04 PM #80
BBOS7 is harder to develop for, is a declining platform for consumers in North America, and has far too many screen resolutions, and orientations to make it worth while backwards porting
of course there will be sales drops for RIM waiting for BB10 to drop, RIM knows it, any intelligent investor knows it.
and Game dev houses gave BB10 great credit for being amazing to develop for, also following developers on twitter you'll see many accolades for how much easier RIM has made it for BB10 development than their previous experience with Android market place, and in far fewer instances iOS
Though RIM is under new management, and no one seems to want to address that, RIM of Yesterday doesn't have to be RIM of tomorrow.
But the Media certainly does like to Kick RIM when they are down, there isn't 2 days that someone isn't writing something about a plummeting stock price, and that RIM is dead, yet they keep kicking, lots of rehashes of the same drivel get posted over and over again.
People keep comparing OS's iOS, Android, BlackBerry, WP, and the Articles most often try and keep Apple in favourable lime light, and push RIM down, yes they are declining, but lets talk actual manufacturers not OS's
Apple was praised for becoming the top Laptop manufacturer in 2011 I believe, beating out HP, but nothing was said about OS market share, or computer market share in general, because it wouldn't be a good story,
RIM has the highest market share of Keyboard smartphones, but that isn't news everyone knows that, like Windows has the highest PC market share, it isn't news, lets not report it.
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- 05-27-2012, 12:24 PM #81
Everyone hoping BBOS 10 will be a game changer are going to be disappointed for setting his/her expectations too high.
Smartphones are evolving from hardware and OS to platforms or ecosystems. Most consumers care about what the phone can do for them and how it fits their personal lives. Hardware & OS talk might be filler for media, blogs, forums and geeks, But HW & OS are secondary thoughts for consumers. What truly drives sales in N. America? It is the ecosystem and coolness factor of having the latest Android app or iPhone app.Evolution of Communication: Rotary Phone > Dial Tone > Motorola Walkie-talkie > Nokia 2160 > Nokia 6190 > Samsung a460 > Samsung a920 > BB 8700 > BB 9530 > BB 9860 > PlayBook 32GB > z-wait is over, BlackBerry Z10 for me
- 05-27-2012, 12:36 PM #82
assuming RIM does come through with their plans to find good partners for content
- 05-27-2012, 12:45 PM #83
Yes, BBOS 10 will be a game changer in public's perception of RIM and your needs. But, as you stated, unless RIM can coral some big partners in U.S. for content / ecosystem (i.e. Amazon, Google or Microsoft).
Or else, RIM's BlackBerry will an international brand, like Nokia, with less relevance in U.S.A. Ultimately, this is where the battle will be won or lost for feature phone users switching to a platform. The war is already won by Android and iOS. Or RIM will muddle along in countries like Venezuela, Brazil, Indonesia, and Middle East countries, to name a few...
Last edited by the_sleuth; 05-27-2012 at 12:48 PM.Evolution of Communication: Rotary Phone > Dial Tone > Motorola Walkie-talkie > Nokia 2160 > Nokia 6190 > Samsung a460 > Samsung a920 > BB 8700 > BB 9530 > BB 9860 > PlayBook 32GB > z-wait is over, BlackBerry Z10 for me
- CrackBerry Newbie
05-27-2012, 02:07 PM #85
- 2 Posts
This is great news, I hope as many people get fired as possible.
I was unemployed for almost 10 months in 09 after the startup I worked for in Waterloo went bankrupt. I must have applied to about 15-20 developer positions at RIM, all of which I was qualified for, yet despite a bachelors in comp-sci plus over 4 years experience in Java and various J2EE technologies could not even get an interview. After 10 months when money started to run out I finally had to start applying to jobs in Toronto, and got an offer in only 3 weeks. But I would have preferred to stay in Waterloo. I know 4 people who work at RIM and one is fairly smart while the other 3 are dumber than a box of rocks. One guy who worked at my previous company who was one of the dumbest coworkers I ever had managed to get hired as a developer by RIM. He had a relative who worked there, that's probably why. Another girl I knew got a job there as a developer, she couldn't code her way out of a paper bag, but I guess the hiring manager must have thought she was hot. RIM hires mediocre developers, that's why their products are so bad. Qualified people don't even get an interview, while people who know somebody there get the job regardless of how mediocre they are. They are also incredibly biased toward U of W grads. If you got your bachelors in CS from UW it doesn't matter if you graduated with a C, you'll get hired ahead of someone who went to U of Ottawa and got an A. I think this is because a significant portion of hiring managers there are UW grads, and they prefer to hire their own people (UW CS grads believe they are far smarter than CS grads of other universities), and the cycle continues.
Watching them go down slowly and painfully is my revenge, and let me tell you, it is sweet!
- 05-27-2012, 02:21 PM #87
- CrackBerry Master
05-27-2012, 02:44 PM #89
- 1,050 Posts
The Lumia 900 launch issues (where less than 5% of sold devices had a software bug that killed data) was given massive coverage in sites like Engadget and TheVerge. Rumours of current WP7 devices not being upgradeable to WP8 were made into massive news items in practically every single gadget blog. The Nokia Q1 financials spawned loads of editorials and massive fanboy wars....how come you were oblivious to this?
AT&T reps were trained with the 900 and at least several 3rd party reports say the reps did pretty ok as far as pushing is concerned.
It isn't the fastest phone out there, but build quality and looks push this past the 'just decent' point.
- 05-27-2012, 02:51 PM #91
we wont see growth by all means but a leveling off rather than the last quarters trend of dropping shipment volumes.
IF they do drop 6000 employee's I really fear they are moving to more out sourcing than they should be, they need to keep control of things until BB10 launches, too much outsources you lose control of aspects of your business in the interest of a few dollars.
- 05-27-2012, 03:57 PM #92
With the greatest of respect to RIM, as I truly love the Blackberry and I believe it is an outstanding product. But this is about time.
Seriously, that amount of employees and the products from Mike & Jim? I can only say that I think some staff there is "look busy".
The BB Storm developers are still there according to that open letter from last year, and when Mike & Jim ran things it seemed like a lot of managers and vice presidents but very little doing. Again, the open letter seemed to declare that there is too much paperwork and bureauracy!
I really think Thorsten is cutting the staff to save money and in the long run make RIM better. These staff could all be something to do with BBOS and they are no longer needed. Let's see which departments are out.
Remember the 3 COO's? (Fair enough, Thorsten is now CEO and I love him!) You can't look busy forever.
- 05-27-2012, 05:03 PM #93
Well HP is cutting 27,000 employees because cash flow from operations is shrinking fast. For RIM, the size of the cuts will be determined also by cash flow from operations. If cash flow is trending downward and there is a risk of it shrinking fast in the next 3 quarters, then this round of cuts might not be the last.
With some estimates suggesting RIM’s share of the worldwide smart phone market could drop below 5 per cent this year, axing well over 10 per cent of the company’s global workforce of 16,500 is crucial, say analysts and investors.
“I think they need to come down to 12,000,” said activist investor Vic Alboini, president and CEO of Jaguar Financial, who agitated for the removal of former co-chairs and co-CEOs Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis. Lazaridis is currently vice-chair; he and Balsillie stepped down in January as co-chairs and co-CEOs.
RIM expected to announce major layoffs this week - thestar.comEvolution of Communication: Rotary Phone > Dial Tone > Motorola Walkie-talkie > Nokia 2160 > Nokia 6190 > Samsung a460 > Samsung a920 > BB 8700 > BB 9530 > BB 9860 > PlayBook 32GB > z-wait is over, BlackBerry Z10 for me
- 05-27-2012, 05:16 PM #94
Why do people keep quoting that Vic Alboini guy? he's a failed CEO, and is press hungry.
Where does he get his magical number of 12000 people?
We need to see how RIM's cashflow is after this quarter, as they certainly weren't trending downward last quarter with cashflow, seeing available cash going up.
- CrackBerry Abuser
05-27-2012, 06:40 PM #95
- 334 Posts
I know interns who have worked for RIM. Those in CS and Systems Engineering write code or specs, students from other faculties usually assemble components. Mostly, these tasks are too dull or simple for educated permanent workers to do every day. Yes, they are a lower-cost source of labour, especially with the 30% tax credit. No, it's not unfair to permanent workers - by providing these interns with co-op employment, RIM is training its future permanent employees, and at least getting something back for the tens of millions of $$ it has given to the university over the years.
- CrackBerry Genius of Geniuses
05-27-2012, 07:05 PM #96Ed
- 6,188 Posts
Be bold. Be pantless. Then go take a nice long nap.
- 05-27-2012, 07:09 PM #97
Say what you want about Alboini but up to 4000 cuts could make sense if RIM outsources manufacturing more to third parties as alluded to in this analysis:
Analysis: RIM CEO's brave face masks limited options - Yahoo! Finance
- 05-27-2012, 07:16 PM #98
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- 05-27-2012, 07:21 PM #99