RIM gives in, sets up server in India

**CrackedBarry** · 02-15-2012, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by missing_K-W

I believe RIM is building a manufacturing facility in India. Having a local server and manufacturing facility as well as local offices stimulates the Indian economy. RIM should continue to invest heavily in India and develop a great relationship with the Indian government. I would like to believe that RIM and the Indian government are developing a very positive close relationship which will lead to a prosperous future for all involved

Except of course that the Indian market will disappear for RIM in the next couple of years, as Android phones will come down to be as cheap as the cheapo Curves that RIM is selling there. And cheaper iPhones will suck away the market for Premium phones, like the relatively small number of Bolds sold over there.

Same thing happened for Nokia.

And don't forget about the domestic production of Android phones in India. Combined with the cheap Chinese android phones, RIM will have a very hard time time there in the coming years, and is at the peak of its marketshare there, just like it was in the US a few years ago.

**EchoTango** · 02-15-2012, 12:08 PM

It's really sad that private communications have to be monitored in India for the sake of.......wait for it........to make sure regular folks can't access pornography. Yup, that's what the the real issue is, naked pictures.

In a religiously-centric society where people can be arrested for kissing in public, access the GB's of naughty images has the morals police on permanent spin cycle. Forget about terrorists trying to blow things up and killing people, it's about controlling public decency that RIM needs to give the Government access to everyone's email and Internet history.

So, the world can now sleep safe at night knowing that Indians are not getting all hot and bothered over some video clips.

**kbz1960** · 02-15-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by EchoTango

It's really sad that private communications have to be monitored in India for the sake of.......wait for it........to make sure regular folks can't access pornography. Yup, that's what the the real issue is, naked pictures.

In a religiously-centric society where people can be arrested for kissing in public, access the GB's of naughty images has the morals police on permanent spin cycle. Forget about terrorists trying to blow things up and killing people, it's about controlling public decency that RIM needs to give the Government access to everyone's email and Internet history.

So, the world can now sleep safe at night knowing that Indians are not getting all hot and bothered over some video clips.

Well thank "insert who or whatever you worship". There are toomany of them anyway, we don't need to make them more horny then they all ready are.

I am kidding! Please no flaming

**Nogrentain** · 02-15-2012, 03:29 PM

Yes, let's all be elitists and complain about how no one is going to India and Indians are screwed. Let's also forget that Canada, the US, and UK all have the same agreements already, and that most of the West is attempting the same thing. But no Western country would ever do such a thing right? Especially the one that passed the NDAA?

**phonejunky** · 02-19-2012, 07:15 PM

Read every post in this thread and I must say it was very entertaining. I'm going to however side with those saying that one it was India more or less wanting more control over what their citizens were accessing as far as religion goes. Also I agree with those saying RIM also really had no choice with their current state and India being such a strong market for them.

**addicted44** · 02-20-2012, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Nogrentain

Yes, let's all be elitists and complain about how no one is going to India and Indians are screwed. Let's also forget that Canada, the US, and UK all have the same agreements already, and that most of the West is attempting the same thing. But no Western country would ever do such a thing right? Especially the one that passed the NDAA?

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Most of the posters here: Lets complain against the only country in this list which actually had a terrorist attack that was coordinated using BBM, asking for access to the messaging service.

**pallav_gupta** · 02-20-2012, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

Yea, this is not about security. Our Govt wouldn't know anything for an hour if a nuke went off next to parliament. This is about political blackmail and industrial espionage, plain and simple.

The CBI, Intelligence Bureau are just the spies for the current govt. Not a good sign at all.

shame on people like you . you have much more independence then even USA .they had all of this in place for years.you are still not strip searched in india.

i can go on and on... its people like you who bring shame to our country. what are you doing about shifting to a better country?

**Hawkeberry** · 02-20-2012, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by pallav_gupta

shame on people like you . you have much more independence then even USA .they had all of this in place for years.you are still not strip searched in india.

i can go on and on... its people like you who bring shame to our country. what are you doing about shifting to a better country?

Relax, mate

To be honest, I'd prefer being searched than live in fear of a terrorist attack. I too am a proud Indian but you've got to accept out Govt will spy on opposition party politicians. Lots of politicians here (Tharoor, Omer, etc) and media guys use Blackberry. This is not good news

**ritesh** · 02-20-2012, 01:31 AM

I dont understand, why people are so worried about Govt. agencies snooping on their chats and Mails. As long as you don't indulge in any terrorist related domains, why should there be a reason to worry? And if someone does, for sure, they must have found alternate and much secure methods of communicating.

**gbsn** · 02-20-2012, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by ritesh

I dont understand, why people are so worried about Govt. agencies snooping on their chats and Mails. As long as you don't indulge in any terrorist related domains, why should there be a reason to worry? And if someone does, for sure, they must have found alternate and much secure methods of communicating.

Well, if what the guy above you said becomes true, then it wont be beneficial at all. Government spying on the opposition just to place restrictions and leak information is certainly not in the "terrorist" domain. I do not know how things are in India with respect to politics and how the government reacts to opposition, but if its like in Venezuela where you can lose your job, be denied any future job or get imprisoned, for simply being on the opposite side or voting against the current head, then yeap, pretty huge problem. Though i dont think it is like that, right?

It just depends on the government, its usually pretty dangerous where there is a crazy totalitarian/dictator leader f*cking up the country.

**VishRS** · 02-20-2012, 10:27 AM

A very good move by Indian Govt and RIM respectively. Considering everything in the world comes with two aspects positive and negative BBM can be used for bad means too. The forces that could potentially harm India or the people dealing their dirty money plans via BBM will now be checked upon.
Govt is least bothered what a common man is talking through BBM.

**Silver826** · 02-20-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeberry

Relax, mate

To be honest, I'd prefer being searched than live in fear of a terrorist attack. I too am a proud Indian but you've got to accept out Govt will spy on opposition party politicians. Lots of politicians here (Tharoor, Omer, etc) and media guys use Blackberry. This is not good news

Dude, even if they use it to spy on opposition parties, it'll hardly make any difference. All the governments here are same. So basically, you'll be spying on one of your kind only. That won't hamper any politics in the country. And yeah, I'm an Indian too.

**shabbs** · 02-20-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by metz9444

Jebus...even BES? One would think that if an organization ponied up for BES they would have their own security and that would be known only to them. It really is too bad that RIM put themselves into a corner like this in terms of needing market share. India's population is nothing to underestimate but it would have been nice for RIM to negotiate from a position of power rather than where they are now.

From what I gather, the server is there to allow interception of BlackBerry Messenger traffic and to control all the BES installations. For interception of BES emails, RIM is unable to help there due to the end-to-end encryption and key gen security. The Indian Govt will instead force their reach inside every company that runs a BES server in order to intercept messages there. If you ask me, that's pretty invasive, and will no doubt be the price of running a BES server in India. If you don't like it, no more BES for you cuz the Indian Govt controls the BES now.

So, yes RIM gives in, but does not give in on BES email security. A business move they had to make. I don't like it. But it is what it is.

EDIT: And before anyone else says it...

"All your BES are belong to us."

**oddboy** · 02-23-2012, 03:49 PM

The question RIM should be asking of themselves is: What would Steve Jobs do?

**blue200316** · 02-26-2012, 01:14 PM

Next they will ask Apple to allow them to intercept iMessages. I think the only secure place is our mind. Just because they are the Government they want access to everything....but even after that the bad guys will accomplish in their task.