[morlock_man]

Now, getting back to the basics, RIM's marketing "stunt" has every naysayer on the planet soiling themselves, and in the words of some secular progressive types, never let an artificial crisis go to waste; RIM wins big time this time!

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

Now if they'd just launch the new playbook.

[Toodeurep]

This is an example of a carefully crafted post...

Lets talk about the huge differences between the tour, bold 9650, 9800,9810...Rimm is notorious for incremental upgrades....at least 3GS users can download ios5. Can I upgrade my torch 9800 to os7?

I noticed the original iPhone and 3G models were absent from the post

This one not so much.

Still lol @ this pathetic ad. It might have worked if RIMM had a decent product on the shelf...

[Economist101]

I noticed the original iPhone and 3G models were absent from the post.

I think you missed the point. The Torch 9800 was released more than a year after the iPhone 3GS, yet while Apple still updates the 3GS with current software, the 20-month old 9800 is essentially frozen in time.

[Kandoo-BB]

Mcfly your not right in the head if you think rim does not have any "decent" devices,I mean really!

[MartyMcfly]

Then you should no longer be posting here, seeing as you find RIM offering nothing decent in your opinion.

You're right, I should rephrase that....I like the new bold....


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[Toodeurep]

I think you missed the point. The Torch 9800 was released more than a year after the iPhone 3GS, yet while Apple still updates the 3GS with current software, the 20-month old 9800 is essentially frozen in time.

I understood his point and why he made it in response to a previous post. I was pointing out the difference in quality between the two posts.

[morlock_man]

I think you missed the point. The Torch 9800 was released more than a year after the iPhone 3GS, yet while Apple still updates the 3GS with current software, the 20-month old 9800 is essentially frozen in time.

You know what? I don't think anyone who's owned a 9800 would argue that.

I own one right now. It feels pretty dated, aside from being a full touchscreen with an awesome keyboard. I was also pretty upset that I never got the OS7 update. But I own a Playbook and it pretty much does everything that I'd be missing from my smartphone. It also does it better because of the larger screen and the remote control functionality in bridge breathes new life into my 'dated' phone. So it's not a complete OS update... it's still something I couldn't do before.

To put in some context though...

Apple missed Leopard's release time frame as originally announced by Apple's CEO Steve Jobs. When first discussed in June 2005, Jobs had stated that Apple intended to release Leopard at the end of 2006 or early 2007. A year later, this was amended to Spring 2007; however on 12 April 2007, Apple issued a statement that its release would be delayed until October 2007 because of the development of the iPhone.

[mrfreetruth]

Wow it's been days now and people around the world continue to talk about "wake up"? Nice to see iphone users spending their time on crackberry since they aren't having enough fun using their dull iphone. Then again with all the problems that apples products are having can you blame them trying to wasting time while their phones are in the shop? You won't catch me on an apple fan site taking about the over heating ipads or the dropped calls or useless siri or the battery problems or or or..You can go on and on BUT why would I waste my time. It's funny watching apple fans unable to see they are products of propaganda. I could explain it but why waste even more time?

[reeneebob]

Wow it's been days now and people around the world continue to talk about "wake up"? Nice to see iphone users spending their time on crackberry since they aren't having enough fun using their dull iphone. Then again with all the problems that apples products are having can you blame them trying to wasting time while their phones are in the shop? You won't catch me on an apple fan site taking about the over heating ipads or the dropped calls or useless siri or the battery problems or or or..You can go on and on BUT why would I waste my time. It's funny watching apple fans unable to see they are products of propaganda. I could explain it but why waste even more time?

Yes. That's right. I use an iPhone so clearly I can't post here...oh...wait...what's this? I'm typing on a BB 9900? Well imagine, someone can use multiple platforms and not blindly follow a manufacturer? Well huh, who would have thunk it!

Just because I like RIM and own RIM products and want it to succeed as a Canadian company doesn't mean that I can't be critical when they make a bone head move.

And this ad campaign was a bone head move.

Also, FYI, with all the Apple products I own - an iPod nano, iPod classic, ipod shuffle, iPod touch 1st gen (5 years old and still kicking), current gen iPod touch and iPhone 4 - not a one has ever, ever needed to be "sent to the shop". You lost any chance at being taken seriously with that comment right there - do you know how many BB curves I've had to send in for repair for customers over the last 6 months alone? Just when I've worked off the top of my head I can count 6. All for screens that have failed and trackpad issues.

Step back from being a fanboy and look at things without any spin.

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[tchocky77]

As a veteran of the US military, I just want to point out that I'm embarrassed by Alnamvet 68's nonsense.

RIM should also be embarrassed. The only talking people are doing in response to the whole "wake up" fiasco is about how idiotic it is. I realize that I'm hardly calling against steep odds here, but RIM is toast. Cheers.

[alnamvet68]

I'm not going to make an "educated" guess as to what possesses some to claim "veteran's status" as a means of legitimizing what is obviously a pointless post; let's just say you're being ignored again.

[Chrisy]

Wow it's been days now and people around the world continue to talk about "wake up"? Nice to see iphone users spending their time on crackberry since they aren't having enough fun using their dull iphone. Then again with all the problems that apples products are having can you blame them trying to wasting time while their phones are in the shop? You won't catch me on an apple fan site taking about the over heating ipads or the dropped calls or useless siri or the battery problems or or or..You can go on and on BUT why would I waste my time. It's funny watching apple fans unable to see they are products of propaganda. I could explain it but why waste even more time?

I've stoped replying to them. But it's the same 3-4 people that just dislike BlackBerry and love their iPhones yet continue to post on CrackBerry just to bash.

It's getting sad. Or funny.

[apengue1]

It's funny watching apple fans unable to see they are products of propaganda. I could explain it but why waste even more time?

Perfect word in the perfect statement




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[Economist101]

You know what? I don't think anyone who's owned a 9800 would argue that.

I own one right now. It feels pretty dated, aside from being a full touchscreen with an awesome keyboard. I was also pretty upset that I never got the OS7 update. But I own a Playbook and it pretty much does everything that I'd be missing from my smartphone. It also does it better because of the larger screen and the remote control functionality in bridge breathes new life into my 'dated' phone. So it's not a complete OS update... it's still something I couldn't do before.

To put in some context though...

I'm sure there are many people that love the device, and I'm not passing judgement on whether the device is good or bad. But, objectively, the Torch is no longer running the most current BB software, even though it is far newer than the 3GS, so it's silly to point to Apple not updating its much older (2-3 years older than the Torch) iPhones.

As for the "context" you offered, I'm not sure I follow you. Are you equating Apple's delays with Leopard to RIM releasing software that doesn't support devices released one year prior? It's not that OS 7 on the 9800 is delayed, it's that it's not coming at all.

[kevinnugent]

RIM just replaced their useless Managing Director of Australia & NZ the other week. She was useless, but the guy that got the job appears to be about 16 years old. Now, it seems we've gone from bad to worse.

[kevinnugent]

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[dandbj13]

I've stoped replying to them. But it's the same 3-4 people that just dislike BlackBerry and love their iPhones yet continue to post on CrackBerry just to bash.

It's getting sad. Or funny.

The irony of this, and other comments like it, is that it is RIM who keeps throwing stones at Apple users, not the other way around. This started with RIM unloading bus loads of people dressed in black, shouting at the customers in an Apple store just minding their own business. RIM, then, proceeds to preach at Apple customers about what it means to be in business: defining it in a way that implies, if one uses an iPhone, she is not in business, and doesn't matter.

RIM specifically stated that they wanted to start a conversation. They start the conversation in the most offensive terms. Then, you are surprised that Apple users join the conversation (or argument) that RIM specifically wanted to start. Very sad, indeed.

[morlock_man]

The irony of this, and other comments like it, is that it is RIM who keeps throwing stones at Apple users, not the other way around. This started with RIM unloading bus loads of people dressed in black, shouting at the customers in an Apple store just minding their own business. RIM, then, proceeds to preach at Apple customers about what it means to be in business: defining it in a way that implies, if one uses an iPhone, she is not in business, and doesn't matter.

RIM specifically stated that they wanted to start a conversation. They start the conversation in the most offensive terms. Then, you are surprised that Apple users join the conversation (or argument) that RIM specifically wanted to start. Very sad, indeed.

It's simple. If Apple wanted to be in business in Australia, they wouldn't have flubbed the launch of the 4G iPad. They obviously don't care enough about the business tablet market in that part of the world to take it seriously.

RIM wants to be in business in Australia. They don't want to sell toys that only half-work who's big claim to fame is time wasted playing games and watching Netflix... they want to sell tools that enhance productivity.

[dandbj13]

It's simple. If Apple wanted to be in business in Australia, they wouldn't have flubbed the launch of the 4G iPad. They obviously don't care enough about the business tablet market in that part of the world to take it seriously.

RIM wants to be in business in Australia. They don't want to sell toys that only half-work who's big claim to fame is time wasted playing games and watching Netflix... they want to sell tools that enhance productivity.

Hmm... Did Apple flub the launch of the New iPad? How are sales of the product compared to, say, the PB? RIM wants to be in business, there? What products did they offer to compete? Nothing? Really? By the way, I didn't see or hear anything from the stunt or the ad that referenced the iPad. Did you?

Ironically, the campaign started with RIM sending busloads of people to block the entrance to the store and frightening away customers who were, most likely, buying the New iPad. I guess that's one way to slow iPad sales.

[morlock_man]

Hmm... Did Apple flub the launch of the New iPad? How are sales of the product compared to, say, the PB? RIM wants to be in business, there? What products did they offer to compete? Nothing? Really? By the way, I didn't see or hear anything from the stunt or the ad that referenced the iPad. Did you?

Ironically, the campaign started with RIM sending busloads of people to block the entrance to the store and frightening away customers who were, most likely, buying the New iPad. I guess that's one way to slow iPad sales.

Apple is being sued in Australia for the 4G iPad issues. They're not allowed to sell them there. Seems a kind of obvious connection.

@Economist101

No, I'm saying Apple had huge delays trying to get the iPhone out the door and that was with a pre-existing OS. They're haven't gone through a major OS change since the late 90s, so all their devices have maintained a level of compatibility.

RIM seems to be gunning for the same kind of platform with longterm support built in. But they're doing it all at once. New OS, new phone, new tablets. It's a complete break from the old system, but they've used bridge functionality to keep the gap with their older handsets from widening too much.

They're making smart moves and showing an accelerated rate of progress when compared to either Apple or Google in rolling out their mobile platforms. Both companys had at least 2 years or more of R&D between announcing the platforms and rolling them out. This was with substantial pre-existing code for both the OSX and Linux-based Android platform.

QNX had never been developed as a mobile platform, much less having a touch interface UI and astonishing software development framework. It's seen amazing growth in the last year and will continue to impress into the future.

[dandbj13]

Apple is being sued in Australia for the 4G iPad issues. They're not allowed to sell them there. Seems a kind of obvious connection.

Apple

You really are just making stuff up.

[brucep1]

RIM seems to be gunning for the same kind of platform with longterm support built in. But they're doing it all at once. New OS, new phone, new tablets. It's a complete break from the old system, but they've used bridge functionality to keep the gap with their older handsets from widening too much.

If Long term support was really something they were gunning for, why make your brand new OS7 handsets not compatible with BB10?

[morlock_man]

Apple

You really are just making stuff up.

Really?

You're going to call me a liar before even asking Google?

Apple sued by Australian consumer watchdog over 4G iPad - TechSpot News

@brucep1

Because legacy support is an evil b!tch, just ask Microsoft. And they actually sell their OS. RIM would waste years trying to make sure everything was perfect. Why bother? It's a complete waste of time since I'm just going to get their new device anyways as I'm due for an upgrade. But in the meantime, my device still communicates with my Playbook perfectly. So whats the difference?

[reeneebob]

I

The irony of this, and other comments like it, is that it is RIM who keeps throwing stones at Apple users, not the other way around. This started with RIM unloading bus loads of people dressed in black, shouting at the customers in an Apple store just minding their own business. RIM, then, proceeds to preach at Apple customers about what it means to be in business: defining it in a way that implies, if one uses an iPhone, she is not in business, and doesn't matter.

RIM specifically stated that they wanted to start a conversation. They start the conversation in the most offensive terms. Then, you are surprised that Apple users join the conversation (or argument) that RIM specifically wanted to start. Very sad, indeed.

I'm one of the people she is accusing (she's on ignore - I wish to god we couldn't see ignored posters in quotes). I have never said I want RIM to fail. In fact it would be catastrophic for where I live. I have used BB off and on for years - more on than off. I'm currently typing on a RIM product and swap between it and an iPhone 4. I just also feel that you don't have to be a kool aid drinking fan girl/boy to post here and, if anything, fans should hold a company accountable if they are letting them down. And this ad campaign made RIM look bad. I am a CELL PHONE fan and have no allegiance to a specific manufacturer.

I didn't get the memo that to post here you can only post Rah Rah Rah (I refuse to type the rock and roll thing because it's seriously lame) even when RIM is doing something that opens hem up for legitimate criticism.

If this was the brainchild of the new marketing head, his tenure will be short and rightfully so.


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[dandbj13]

Really?

You're going to call me a liar before even asking Google?

Apple sued by Australian consumer watchdog over 4G iPad - TechSpot News

Someone is always suing Apple over something. Your claim was that the iPad was banned in Australia. That is total BS. You should just stop.