"RIM Confesses to Organizing ‘Wake Up’ Protest Outside Australian Apple Store"

**scorpiodsu** · 05-02-2012, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by avt123

People who were buying smartphones before iPhones came out were flocking to BBs and buying them just because they were BBs and were known to be the best in the smartphone world.

Now iPhones are considered the top of the line and people are buying them based on reputation. Now, since this is Apple we are talking about, everyone is assumed to be a "sheep".

So it's ok for people to flock to other companies, but if it is Apple they are sheep? This type of thinking is insane. No one was calling BB users sheep when BBs were the device to buy.

Exactly. Users of other brands fail to look at themselves in that way when in fact they are exactly the same.

**scorpiodsu** · 05-02-2012, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by FSeverino

Lets say you give me a choice:

Item A: Great device with wifi/4G and an AMAZING screen
Item B: Great device with wifi only
Item C: Great device with wifi/4G

Now, according to your theory... MY CHOICE will be of free will.

So I choose Item A because although I mostly use wifi I do need 4g at times and the screen is just a sweet bonus for a little bit extra compared to Item C.

So I open the box and use wifi... but it doesnt really work that well for some reason, so i try 4G... but it doesnt work AT ALL... and I AM SURE that it isnt working because the resolution of the status bar is BEST IN CLASS.

Now, YES! MY CHOICE is made on free will... but it is based on false information and purposefully misleading statements and labels that Item A had placed on it by the company that made it. If our choices our from FREE WILL but based on totally false premises then it is the job of a true friend/ally to WAKE US UP and bring us to reality.

If there are only a handful of articles of such a critical flaw(s) in such a popular device then you have to wonder why that is... you also have to wonder why a company (or person) who tries to bring that very notion to the attention of the people harmed would then get bashed for doing so...

i would say that we all need to OPEN OUR EYES... but that seems like a play on WAKE UP and I dont want to be EMBARRASSED for telling people to WAKE UP

Based on false information? Come one now. Users choose whichever device they want. They decide which features they can live with and without. It's users' option to believe what is told to them. I don't need Apple to tell me that their device is good. They are supposed to tell me that. But it's up to me to decide if that is true. That's with Apple and any other product. I can see you are one of those conspiracy theorists. Sure, marketing influences a person's choice. Duh. But at the end of the day, the consumer makes the final decision on whether the marketing was right or is real time usage showed them otherwise. If anyone doesn't based their choice on actual real world experience, then that just silly. Are there people like that? Of course. But I would imagine that most people buy based on what they experience and not what someone said they should have. If that was the case, then every person with a blackberry here would have something else. Why not? Are they brainwashed by RIM? Are they somehow told that blackberry is better? I'm thinking they made the choice on their own with loyalty to RIM as well as it fits their needs and not them wack BB commercials. Hey, I guess I'm not as cynical as you.

**Rob w bold** · 05-02-2012, 03:32 PM

2nd gen Playbook!!

**FSeverino** · 05-02-2012, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by scorpiodsu

Based on false information? Come one now. Users choose whichever device they want. They decide which features they can live with and without. It's users' option to believe what is told to them. I don't need Apple to tell me that their device is good. They are supposed to tell me that. But it's up to me to decide if that is true. That's with Apple and any other product. I can see you are one of those conspiracy theorists. Sure, marketing influences a person's choice. Duh. But at the end of the day, the consumer makes the final decision on whether the marketing was right or is real time usage showed them otherwise. If anyone doesn't based their choice on actual real world experience, then that just silly. Are there people like that? Of course. But I would imagine that most people buy based on what they experience and not what someone said they should have. If that was the case, then every person with a blackberry here would have something else. Why not? Are they brainwashed by RIM? Are they somehow told that blackberry is better? I'm thinking they made the choice on their own with loyalty to RIM as well as it fits their needs and not them wack BB commercials. Hey, I guess I'm not as cynical as you.

I stopped reading there... because that goes directly against what you are saying. If it is MY OPTION to believe people then you are saying that i BELIEVE the company based on what they say... but what they said was FALSE and they are being investigated for that... so how is that the USERS FAULT?

lmao... damn, and people say there is no brainwashing/bias going on.
I dont want to take this off topic, so lets stay ON TOPIC of RIM trying to WAKE PEOPLE UP to the fact that they are being duped.

Sorry, but there is no valid point that you can make against Apple flat out lying about the 4G in Australia (which is where this took place) because adds have been posted that show that APPLE advertized that it is 4G, while they knew that it wouldnt work. They are being taken to court in Australia and now in the UK (for the second time)... so saying that RIM is EMBARRASSING for trying to bring this to the attention of the people who may be purchasing devices that are the cause for legal matters is actually, in fact, embarrassing for the people who say it.

Every company has to say that there devices are good, I agree 100%. But if i release a device and say it can do something and then people buy it and it is discovered that there was NEVER a possibility of this happening then HOW are the people at fault? If I show a device using 4G in a network that is KNOWN to be different from the network where I live and the company selling the device says that the device is 4G... then how is that MY FAULT?

This bull about USERS ERROR/FAULT is getting out of hand, and it seems like only APPLE is using it. Sure you cant use ANY phone underwater or believe that if you drop your phone from the top of a staircase that it will be replaced... but USER FAULT causing a 4G device to NO have 4G is absolutely crazy.

Actually... maybe I should ask one of my Australian friends to make sure they are HOLDING IT THE RIGHT WAY

lol

**Mr.Willie** · 05-02-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by conix67

?? This wasn't an advertisement. It was a marketing stunt.

And a very humorous at that. I really did enjoy them.

Originally Posted by avt123

People who were buying smartphones before iPhones came out were flocking to BBs and buying them just because they were BBs and were known to be the best in the smartphone world.

Now iPhones are considered the top of the line and people are buying them based on reputation. Now, since this is Apple we are talking about, everyone is assumed to be a "sheep".

So it's ok for people to flock to other companies, but if it is Apple they are sheep? This type of thinking is insane. No one was calling BB users sheep when BBs were the device to buy.

I believe people do that because they think it ups their credibility with others on the forum. It doesn't. Some don't understand that other people don't care about the same things that they do. Hmmm root my Android and put a WinMo launcher on it so it looks like WinMo device or get laid. Easy choice for me. Of course I understand that some of these people don't have the second option. All I cared about was adding attachments to emails, ease of use, and not getting my data mined. Keyboard, screen, and blinking light were a bonus.

Originally Posted by scorpiodsu

Based on false information? Come one now. Users choose whichever device they want. They decide which features they can live with and without. It's users' option to believe what is told to them. I don't need Apple to tell me that their device is good. They are supposed to tell me that. But it's up to me to decide if that is true. That's with Apple and any other product. I can see you are one of those conspiracy theorists. Sure, marketing influences a person's choice. Duh. But at the end of the day, the consumer makes the final decision on whether the marketing was right or is real time usage showed them otherwise. If anyone doesn't based their choice on actual real world experience, then that just silly. Are there people like that? Of course. But I would imagine that most people buy based on what they experience and not what someone said they should have. If that was the case, then every person with a blackberry here would have something else. Why not? Are they brainwashed by RIM? Are they somehow told that blackberry is better? I'm thinking they made the choice on their own with loyalty to RIM as well as it fits their needs and not them wack BB commercials. Hey, I guess I'm not as cynical as you.

Funny thing is, the box my 9810 came in had a 4G banner on it. 4G and HSPA+ are not the same thing. Of course I knew that, but that wasn't important to me. (That not meant to be a shot at you, but a reinforcement. Nor is it a shot a RIM, just one at AT&T).

**siddo_d** · 05-02-2012, 04:11 PM

I wonder what wake up means

Sent from my BlackBerry 9800 using CrackBerry forums application

**TheScionicMan** · 05-02-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by conix67

To some people anything RIM do is right and good thing to do.

And to some, everything is wrong but they come to CB to fret over it instead of maybe going to a website that might talk about their phone of choice, like we're trying to do. The majority of posters who are overly fixated on what a "fail" this is don't have many good things to say about RIM, if any... Perhaps just an odd coincidence...

**Shlooky** · 05-02-2012, 05:08 PM

While some people in this thread think it's the best marketing campaign to date, and it's perfectly ok to raid a competitor's store with ridicules signs like "Wake UP", the media certainly did not and the stock dropped below $13.
RIM is being criticized yet again as a result.

What’s behind RIM’s marketing missteps? - The Globe and Mail

RIM owns up to anti-Apple 'protest' stunt in Australia - The Globe and Mail

**Plazmic Flame** · 05-02-2012, 09:44 PM

Any company that did this is stupid, it's the kind of thing I would expect from Samsung.

From RIM? This is far from professional.... It's even more embarrassing when you don't even have a product for the masses you're telling to... "wake up".

Still waiting for "official" word from RIM on this....

**BB_Bmore** · 05-02-2012, 11:30 PM

Unless at the end of the clock time a product is revealed. The more I think about this it just makes sense to release the 4g playbook. You know a tablet with 4G that will actually work in Australia. RIM is living up to the bebold theme and I think they are doing a great job.._unless of course nothing happens when the clock finishes. Lol otherwise a 4G playbook release along with everything else I think was pretty bold by rim no pun intended,well maybe just a little.

**Caymancroc** · 05-03-2012, 01:30 AM

I think people have woke up, they ditched their BB and got an iPhone.

What really probably happened is that those were the last bus full of RIM stockholders and they got lost. They were trying to find Waterloo HQ but their BB Maps program got them lost.

**Rootbrian** · 05-03-2012, 04:06 AM

A protest is a protest, Media claims RIM admitted to planning it, but is there anything to backup those claims at all? Solid evidence? I doubt there is any. Let's stay on-topic before this gets CLOSED by a mod.

**Mystic205** · 05-03-2012, 01:26 PM

well, given "Wake Up" is an integral part of the Galaxy S3 launch video....

**ewakil12** · 05-05-2012, 10:11 PM

Wake Up. Be Bold.

**ekafara** · 05-05-2012, 10:12 PM

Less than 12 hours left on the countdown. Something will be happening in Australia tomorrow.

**FSeverino** · 05-05-2012, 10:19 PM

If this isnt a 4G playbook then its the king of trolls.

Releasing a 4G device in that market first will show people that BB cares about them more then other companies that left them out of their 4G spectrum.

Do they have the newest bold in that market? It could also be a 4G version of that

**berklon** · 05-05-2012, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by eKafara

Less than 12 hours left on the countdown. Something will be happening in Australia tomorrow.

Prepare to be extremely underwhelmed.

**Rootbrian** · 05-05-2012, 10:39 PM

Hmm, I wonder why the mods removed the post with the link to wakeupbebold.com? It has a fantastic HTML5 demonstration. Oh well... :S

**FSeverino** · 05-05-2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rootbrian

Hmm, I wonder why the mods removed the post with the link to wakeupbebold.com? It has a fantastic HTML5 demonstration. Oh well... :S

The link is posted above

**Rootbrian** · 05-05-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by FSeverino

The link is posted above

I guess I scrolled too fast to catch sight of it. #dOh

**ekafara** · 05-05-2012, 10:48 PM

I clicked that link. I find it really strange that crackberry hasn't had one person make a comment about this. Maybe we will tomorrow.

**Rootbrian** · 05-05-2012, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by eKafara

I clicked that link. I find it really strange that crackberry hasn't had one person make a comment about this. Maybe we will tomorrow.

Maybe it would be a good idea to tweet all of the crackberry team members with that link.

**FSeverino** · 05-05-2012, 10:50 PM

I guess it wasnt really official until that site went up... i guess it will be there when i wake up tomorrow

**Maliberti** · 05-05-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bilaal

LOL. Good on RIM. Looks like RIM is serious.

Looks like desperation!

**ekafara** · 05-05-2012, 10:54 PM

I tweeted @crackberry, @blackberry and @blackberry_au about how there is less than 12 hours left. No reponse. @crackberry didn't respond to my tweet asking if they were going to be the last site to say anything(did that when it first was told it was RIM)