Real or Fake? iOS apps running on Playbook!

**h20work** · 06-11-2012, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by SlcCorrado

Probably 'cuz it's fake haha

Just like dingleberry was fake right?

**modalspace** · 06-11-2012, 11:43 PM

Okay, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for a minute. A few questions out of pure curiosity.

Originally Posted by businesscat2000

I don't load any frameworks - all imports are built into the loader statically. Makes it much easier to debug and deploy.

That really works? NSBundle uses dynamic loading all over the place, I'd expect it to fail in a number of funny ways if dlopen and friends are not available…

Originally Posted by businesscat2000

The objective C runtime isn't all that special - it's essentially a verbose C++ vtable. The class/meta class data structures are standard linker symbols, slightly mangled.

What runtime do you use? Did you write it yourself? If so, I'd a) think it's a terrible waste of effort and b) would like to know whether it supports recent Objective-C 2 features (blocks, protocol introspection, etc). GCC ships a slightly old-ish runtime, GNUstep has an excellent Obj-C runtime that supports all of Objective-C 2 (and the Apple style single-stage dispatch trough objc_msgSend and friends), so you have quite a few free options there.

Originally Posted by businesscat2000

Foundation, GLES (1.1 please), OpenAL, AudioQueue, CG, CALayer, UIView, UITableView, buttons, switches, etc are fine, most CAAnimations are fine. Go nuts.

So I gather that, on the Obj-C side, you have at least a partial implementation of Foundation, CoreGraphics, CoreAnimation, and UIKit. Again, I'd be very much interested to know whether you reimplemented these from scratch or relied on existing FOSS solutions. But be that as it may, I'd encourage you to share that work with the community. For example, GNUstep has a GSoC student working on CoreAnimation right now, and I think he'd be delighted if he could share the effort. (Also, as an GNU project, the FSF is having our back legalese-wise).

Cheers,

Niels

**PlayBookUserMT** · 06-12-2012, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by SlcCorrado

C'mon guys... It's already been said. Even if it's real, businesscat2000 didn't write it. Why would he title the thread "real or fake" haha. Just trolling

Yeah I thought this myself, you may have missed his response. The thread was renamed by a mod, originally it was 'iOS apps running on Playbook!'. A mod added in the 'Real or Fake?' leader. I've had my threads renamed before as well. It hppens, just in this case it changed the general perception of the thread, which is confusing because it looks like businesscat2000 is questioning his own work.

**varunsain** · 06-12-2012, 12:33 AM

I hope this doesn't turn into a PS3 Hack scene where all the hacks are just complicated enough for the smart ones to give it a shot and then finally like Sony.. they just get rid of the OS itself.. in this case.. emulation.. but then that would kill android apps also!

Android apps were a hit because it's easy to get hold of the APK files.. Is this the same for iApps?

Just trust me.. Go public with the emulator app you've created and let people get their own apps.. In that way, you have nothing to do with the piracy issue.. just like RIM.. they were so aware of Android apps being easily available..

What you need.. is someone to create a converter like the APK to BAR? But I guess if you lead then everyone will follow!

You know what.. Just shift your base to India and you will get all the protection here! Edit:: and all the developer help to make RIM win!

**Dapper37** · 06-12-2012, 04:59 AM

Ok this is getting good, even the skeptics are having a good second look,
@businesscat can you at least give us some details as to your intensions? Whats next?
Have you got your app working on Android? What is it about PlayBook/QNX that made you showcase this platform?
Thanks

**Cozz4ever** · 06-12-2012, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by h20work

Sorry, didn't realize I was spewing crap...

Did you send him and app to try?

Like I said, much easier to call it fake with nothing to back up your claims. I do love your sense of entitlement though

Prove it's real by giving it to me, makes perfect sense

You don't get it do you?

Fine, I give in, ill send him two custom apps that were never released to the app store. One of which is still in the early stages. If he passes me his emu app. Deal?

**h20work** · 06-12-2012, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Cozz4ever

You don't get it do you?

Fine, I give in, ill send him two custom apps that were never released to the app store. One of which is still in the early stages. If he passes me his emu app. Deal?

Which part do I not get? The part where a bunch of random strangers call it fake with no basis?

Just curious, why didn't you port your apps for the pb? Many developers have and are making some good money....

**wgtcarlos** · 06-12-2012, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by varunsain

I hope this doesn't turn into a PS3 Hack scene where all the hacks are just complicated enough for the smart ones to give it a shot and then finally like Sony.. they just get rid of the OS itself.. in this case.. emulation.. but then that would kill android apps also!

Android apps were a hit because it's easy to get hold of the APK files.. Is this the same for iApps?

Just trust me.. Go public with the emulator app you've created and let people get their own apps.. In that way, you have nothing to do with the piracy issue.. just like RIM.. they were so aware of Android apps being easily available..

What you need.. is someone to create a converter like the APK to BAR? But I guess if you lead then everyone will follow!

You know what.. Just shift your base to India and you will get all the protection here! Edit:: and all the developer help to make RIM win!

Great!!! I agree. He will have protection and India is the way. Let me tell you why not: its fake. LOL

**wgtcarlos** · 06-12-2012, 09:14 AM

Come on guys, if someone have something that amazing, why not share in the community. We'll believe that if we can sideload it on our own PlayBooks. Let's us see with our own hands! Apple lawyers!? Come on... there's a zillion ways to leak that with no Apple, just think about it. Money? You can monetize that easily... LOL... Its a fake for sure, that's why it will always have an excuse for releasing it. Come on, prove me wrong, I really would love to "pay my tongue", LOL

**h20work** · 06-12-2012, 09:22 AM

I love the reverse psychology here: it's totally fake but release it to us anyways. Seems legit

**Wyatt Derp** · 06-12-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by h20work

Which part do I not get? The part where a bunch of random strangers call it fake with no basis?

I don't know, seems to me there were more than a couple people in here that seem to know their isht, calling it highly improbable. Wishing and hoping doesn't make it true because if that was the case the world would have thrown down their iphones and androids and came running back to the BB world when OS7 was released (at least based on the fanboys of this site)

**h20work** · 06-12-2012, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Wyatt Derp

I don't know, seems to me there were more than a couple people in here that seem to know their isht, calling it highly improbable. Wishing and hoping doesn't make it true because if that was the case the world would have thrown down their iphones and androids and came running back to the BB world when OS7 was released (at least based on the fanboys of this site)

I agree with the improbable part, but I won't call it fake with nothing to back up my claim and I'm certainly not going to ask the OP to give me their work right after calling them a liar. Same isht happened way back with os5 for the storm. I had an early copy and was called a liar unless I gave it out to everyone...

**Alex_Hong** · 06-12-2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by varunsain

Android apps were a hit because it's easy to get hold of the APK files.. Is this the same for iApps?

It is incredibly easy to get hold of the ipa files for ios apps. My ios apps are jus sitting inside a folder on my mac in plain view. Don't even need to dig it out or anything.

Though if I'm not mistaken, each app has a tag, something like meta data, of the itunes store account that downloaded the app. If you want to transfer it over to another laptop, you need to authorise the other mac before you can use the apps.

The question again, is that is it illegal to use an ios app on devices other than apple's? Even if I had paid for the apps?

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**palomartian** · 06-12-2012, 09:54 AM

Illegal or not, the Apple police (they have those you know) will knock down your door and take your hardware.

**undone** · 06-12-2012, 09:55 AM

Its as real as anything else. If @cat came on and tried to monetize it, I would be on the fake without proof camp. Custom hack tools for doing what you do, people do it all the time.

Mods changed the title and Kevin was checking out the background on this and yet he/she is still here.

Hack the planet!

**inzpirez** · 06-12-2012, 12:27 PM

Love to see some desperate ppl here wanting cat to release it..you guys can just ask nicely u know

**Double_J75** · 06-12-2012, 01:17 PM

^ I asked nicely in a pm

**TheScionicMan** · 06-12-2012, 01:23 PM

OMG, it's like deja vu all over again...

[Rumor]Playbook to support Android apps.

Replace Android with iOS and it's the same thread... and where did that end up?

**1magine** · 06-12-2012, 02:47 PM

If BB10 can sideload both Android and IOS apps - That's kind of a game changer. To say that no matter what platform you are on, if you become dissatisfied for any reason, you can easily move to BB and keep your applications that you've paid for. That would shake the foundations of the mobile world.

**Tkarps** · 06-12-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Alex_Hong

The question again, is that is it illegal to use an ios app on devices other than apple's? Even if I had paid for the apps.

I would think that a vm would be no different than all those developers releasing a jailbreak. When an iphone is jailbroken it is up to the individual to decide if they will be illegally installing apps without paying for them. Releasing the vm on its own is probably not a crime. What you do with it probably is.

**Kevin Michaluk** · 06-12-2012, 04:57 PM

Posted to the blogs in detail.... and with additional videos / evidence....

http://crackberry.com/developer-gets...lackberry-real

**inicophone** · 06-12-2012, 05:14 PM

It is amazing. I really think this is a testimony to the capability of BB10.

**WinningWithLogic** · 06-12-2012, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by NicoBerry

It is amazing. I really think this is a testimony to the capability of BB10.

He got it running on Windows. And QNX. It would work equally well running against Linux (as I'm sure the developer could confirm).

It has nothing to do with BB10.

**h20work** · 06-12-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Cozz4ever

I don't want to hear crap. Release the app and conversation is over. Until then, people will always believe its fake. One can argue he developed a streaming android app that displays what an ios device is showing much like airplay. Far fetched yes, but still arguable. And that's my point. Publishing the app and all this becomes old very fast.

All this can be very simple, so why make it confusing.

Just curious, still think it's fake?

**cleacy** · 06-12-2012, 05:49 PM

I'd have to say congratulations to the developer on this.

I've mentioned before in other posts that Apple's competitive edge is their application library. The hardware itself isn't what people are paying for, it's the applications that you can run on it. The effect of something like this would be to cause Apple to drop their price and continue improving their hardware to maintain their market share.

RIM needs to contact this developer, have their legal team look over things, and get this legally integrated into BB10. I'd put that as a much more worthwhile use of money then any marketing they might do.

If Apple refuses to allow access to the app store by outside hardware, feasibly that might be something you could look at under anti-trust laws.