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    Default Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Ever used an Iphone without iTunes ? Enjoy.
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    Default Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    I hate itunes. It is so bloated now you would think Adobe was in charge.

    I just don't understand why Apple can't make a phone that looks like a freakin' USB drive. The rest of the world can.

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    Default Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by gariac View Post
    I hate itunes. It is so bloated now you would think Adobe was in charge.

    I just don't understand why Apple can't make a phone that looks like a freakin' USB drive. The rest of the world can.

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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Superfly, is that the link you wanted to post? Its about Microsoft - a nice read anyway.

    I agree that a locked down phone is basically a feature phone but at least there are no battery pulls with iPhone/Android. I think RIM is gonna kill it with the new phones personally. Might take a while because mobile contracts are usually 2-3 years but they have to start somewhere, right!
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by dentynefire View Post
    Superfly, is that the link you wanted to post? Its about Microsoft - a nice read anyway.

    I agree that a locked down phone is basically a feature phone but at least there are no battery pulls with iPhone/Android. I think RIM is gonna kill it with the new phones personally. Might take a while because mobile contracts are usually 2-3 years but they have to start somewhere, right!
    Yep, was the link. Shows iTunes as a critical threat. So I believe it will be at least very limited in action (not to say forbidden). New "2 devices" erra : iphones for emailing and calls and ... BB for apps and multimedia loool.

    And occasionally, some advertisement for "our fair competitor of choice" doesn't hurt
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    correct me if im wrong but i think itunes is no longer needed for iOS devices
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by howarmat View Post
    correct me if im wrong but i think itunes is no longer needed for iOS devices
    That's what I thought. I would like clarification too.
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by trelawrence View Post
    That's what I thought. I would like clarification too.
    It's not needed for device usage, but management may be a different story.
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    You look at that list and you seen quite a few very successful companies....

    How many BlackBerry phones on US gov agencies aren't almost completely LOCKED DOWN? Most people I know with a gov issued phone, carries two phones - one is their work BB for email only, the other is usually an Android or maybe an iPhone for personal email, internet access, social media and probably fun stuff they don't want the boss to know about.

    Fusion could change that IF employers wanted to allow employees to have fun, and if employees don't mind the boss being able to check on them. But I think the trend is going to stay the same. Gov Agencies are going to issue LOCKED DOWN smartphones and employes will also carry their own personal devices (where allowed) - the question is will RIM have the ecosystem that attracts consumers.
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    I use my iPad daily, but I haven't connected to a desktop or laptop in a whole year. Last year, something screwy happened with the USB ports on my computer and I found that I could no longer reliably connect the iPad to it. Turns out I don't need to anymore, even though I transfer PDFs and other media all the time. Don't even need it for OS upgrades.
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by howarmat View Post
    correct me if im wrong but i think itunes is no longer needed for iOS devices
    *ahum* looks like I need some serious refresh on iOs.
    on the other hand, provided iCloud is not something that could be enabled in a safe environment ...
    .... well, yes, I really need a serious refresh on how-to's !
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    also no surprise to see all those flash vulnerabilities. Flash has been horrible with security and RIM has to keep upto date with fixes for that.
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly_FR View Post
    *ahum* looks like I need some serious refresh on iOs.
    on the other hand, provided iCloud is not something that could be enabled in a safe environment ...
    .... well, yes, I really need a serious refresh on how-to's !
    Wait... someone who admits that they could be wrong?

    Sorry, Superfly... that attitude is becoming a lost art on the internets... kudos for real...
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by scalemaster34 View Post
    How many BlackBerry phones on US gov agencies aren't almost completely LOCKED DOWN?
    This is why most of them *think* using ip or droids will change the game. I believe it's not ... at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by scalemaster34 View Post
    Fusion could change that IF employers wanted to allow employees to have fun, and if employees don't mind the boss being able to check on them. But I think the trend is going to stay the same. Gov Agencies are going to issue LOCKED DOWN smartphones and employes will also carry their own personal devices (where allowed) - the question is will RIM have the ecosystem that attracts consumers.
    Fusion is a real and efficient answer. And no, boss won't be able to check on them: private is private, business is work. The two environments are waterproof.
    Gov Agencies can't forbid their users to carry a second device anyway (except several high security areas), so that the "have fun" permission is not required anyway
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by trelawrence View Post
    Wait... someone who admits that they could be wrong?
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly_FR View Post
    *ahum* looks like I need some serious refresh on iOs.
    on the other hand, provided iCloud is not something that could be enabled in a safe environment ...
    .... well, yes, I really need a serious refresh on how-to's !
    99% sure technically you do not need itunes. Back ups can be done in the icloud and music and apps can be managed through app store. But any iphone connected to a computer needs itunes to back up and restore software. I have never used an iphone in a corporate environment so i don't know how a 3rd party management software or redirecting back ups to a company server instead of icloud works.
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    Default Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by scalemaster34 View Post
    You look at that list and you seen quite a few very successful companies....

    How many BlackBerry phones on US gov agencies aren't almost completely LOCKED DOWN? Most people I know with a gov issued phone, carries two phones - one is their work BB for email only, the other is usually an Android or maybe an iPhone for personal email, internet access, social media and probably fun stuff they don't want the boss to know about.

    Fusion could change that IF employers wanted to allow employees to have fun, and if employees don't mind the boss being able to check on them. But I think the trend is going to stay the same. Gov Agencies are going to issue LOCKED DOWN smartphones and employes will also carry their own personal devices (where allowed) - the question is will RIM have the ecosystem that attracts consumers.
    I always carry two phones.

    My government issued device is on BES so it is subject to monitoring. Additionally, when I'm in vacation, I leave it on mute in my bag. I carry it, but I only monitor traffic.

    It is absolutely locked down.

    My personal devices is where all the personal stuff happens.


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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly_FR View Post
    This is why most of them *think* using ip or droids will change the game. I believe it's not ... at all.


    Fusion is a real and efficient answer. And no, boss won't be able to check on them: private is private, business is work. The two environments are waterproof.
    Gov Agencies can't forbid their users to carry a second device anyway (except several high security areas), so that the "have fun" permission is not required anyway
    Not sure how that might work if it is a company issued device - if it is their equipment then private doesn't really apply, it will be interesting to see who really can control the device.
    I think that most people with employer issued phones are going to continue to carry their own device. So just not sure that in the real world Fusion is going to make much of a difference for employer issued devices.
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by scalemaster34 View Post
    Not sure how that might work if it is a company issued device - if it is their equipment then private doesn't really apply, it will be interesting to see who really can control the device.
    I think that most people with employer issued phones are going to continue to carry their own device. So just not sure that in the real world Fusion is going to make much of a difference for employer issued devices.
    I thought it works like: Balance enables the separate partition and BES 10 configures the device. If no Balance partition then BES 10 would configure the device as is when registered.

    To each their own with regards to which device but with BB10 devices RIM is on a much improved playing field.
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    Default Re: Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by scalemaster34 View Post
    Not sure how that might work if it is a company issued device - if it is their equipment then private doesn't really apply, it will be interesting to see who really can control the device.
    I think that most people with employer issued phones are going to continue to carry their own device. So just not sure that in the real world Fusion is going to make much of a difference for employer issued devices.
    Quote Originally Posted by dentynefire View Post
    I thought it works like: Balance enables the separate partition and BES 10 configures the device. If no Balance partition then BES 10 would configure the device as is when registered. To each their own with regards to which device but with BB10 devices RIM is on a much improved playing field.
    Think of it as two virtual machines (this is not) with their own encryption keys. Companies will have no power on the personal data/apps environment. But, of course, they can stop the carrier subscription and/or wipe the work environment. The "waterproofing" is strong enough to prevent (device side) copy/paste/screen capture or email transfer (can't use anything but work address book to send a work mail) from one environment to the other.
    That's huge. That's one of the major advantage of BES10+BB10, notably in secured environments.
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    Default Please welcome our winner to US gov agencies ... and enjoy your $500 feature phone ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by scalemaster34 View Post
    You look at that list and you seen quite a few very successful companies....

    How many BlackBerry phones on US gov agencies aren't almost completely LOCKED DOWN? Most people I know with a gov issued phone, carries two phones - one is their work BB for email only, the other is usually an Android or maybe an iPhone for personal email, internet access, social media and probably fun stuff they don't want the boss to know about.

    Fusion could change that IF employers wanted to allow employees to have fun, and if employees don't mind the boss being able to check on them. But I think the trend is going to stay the same. Gov Agencies are going to issue LOCKED DOWN smartphones and employes will also carry their own personal devices (where allowed) - the question is will RIM have the ecosystem that attracts consumers.
    Prefer BES 10 and BB10, and we can use Blackberry Balance. So we just need one smartphone for our daily activity. Smart isn't it?

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