Objective CNET Article on Blackberry 10 Developer Relations

**AfroZepher** · 06-07-2012, 05:14 PM

Though I'd shear these two articles. . .they're pretty much saying the same thing but it's good to see stuff like this. . .
BlackBerry developers say RIM is energized, on track | Mobile - CNET News
and. . .
RIM: 'BlackBerry 10 is a game changer' | Mobile - CNET News

**Stewartj1** · 06-07-2012, 07:16 PM

Wow, can't believe all the great RIM news recently.

Thanks OP.

**calicocat2010** · 06-07-2012, 10:42 PM

I already made a thread about RIM being Energized on Track this morning.

**Knightcrawler** · 06-08-2012, 08:43 AM

Since bb world there has been a steady stream of either objective or positive new articles as far as the tech side is concerned, and that's a great sign. Sales are built on this kind of hype, and when developers are excited, that excitement spreads. If people hear how awesome bb10 is from the mouths of the people involved with its independent ecosystem they will start to consider it as a viable option when they go to buy a phone. Rims marketing is just marketing....the independent verification is what will make the sale.

**Rickroller** · 06-08-2012, 08:49 AM

According to the handful of devoted BlackBerry developers

Hmm..so the "handful" of "devoted" (meaning existing) Blackberry developers are excited. Don't everyone jump up and down at the same time now.

While at least some outspoken developers enthusiastically support BackBerry 10, they're still critically aware of which technical details work and which don't.

"I'm still waiting to see a quality WebWorks app," one developer casually noted. "You know what," said another. "Me too."

So it's now June and developers are still waiting on tools necessary?

**VerryBestr** · 06-08-2012, 09:41 AM

"I'm still waiting to see a quality WebWorks app," one developer casually noted. "You know what," said another. "Me too."

Originally Posted by Rickroller

...So it's now June and developers are still waiting on tools necessary?

Some may be, for example, developers who use C and C++ may be waiting for further development of Cascades and some more APIs.

But that fact, and your remark, has nothing to do with the above quote. Their discussion refers to WebWorks apps, i.e., apps written in HTML5. Here is what one developer wrote about WebWorks tools nine months ago:

| Building a PlayBook WebWorks app - MiniApps Blog

Remote debugging

This is the area really where the Playbook shines in the eyes of a web developer, as you can quickly and very easily remote debug on an actual device, over your local network. This saved many hours development time and bug fixing, especially when testing device related JavaScript events, such as orientation changes.

Hopefully one day we will have this kind of support on the other major mobile web browsers, and not need rely on third party solutions. RIM are really one step ahead of the competition here.

Conclusion

For web developers, building native applications using the WebWorks SDK is overall a very good experience. There is still room for improvement in key areas such as hardware acceleration performance, but otherwise the Playbook browser is a close second to iOS Safari in terms of browser features and support.

Without hearing more of their conversation I can't be 100% certain, but I'm sure the quote was just another another form of the old argument about whether HTML5 is good enough so that it can be used to write really good software ... on Windows 8, on iOS, wherever ...

**sleepngbear** · 06-08-2012, 10:35 AM

One line says it all: "All the energy is what's coming, not what's out there now."

That's for all you people who can't let go of RIM's past performance when predicting their imminent demise. This is from a developer, one of many whose enthusiasm will be instrumental in the success of BB10.

Awesome articles.

@rick -- knock it off. The bandwagon has to start somewhere. Quit nitpicking whatever negatives you're trying to spin out of this and try to appreciate that there just might be some positive momentum building here.

**Rickroller** · 06-08-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by sleepngbear

@rick -- knock it off. The bandwagon has to start somewhere. Quit nitpicking whatever negatives you're trying to spin out of this and try to appreciate that there just might be some positive momentum building here.

I'm just "keeping it real" as the saying goes. While having 5 or 10 developers (whatever a handful may constitute) excited is better than none, to me personally, until I hear about some of the big names currently lacking on the platform jumping on board, everything else doesn't really matter.

**NJPhilliesPhan** · 06-08-2012, 10:53 AM

I hope this will finally bring all the Android apps we were promised.

**D_March** · 06-08-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rickroller

I'm just "keeping it real" as the saying goes. While having 5 or 10 developers (whatever a handful may constitute) excited is better than none, to me personally, until I hear about some of the big names currently lacking on the platform jumping on board, everything else doesn't really matter.

Purposely trying to find a negative in the midst of good news isn't really keeping it real. It is being a pessimist though. The question is what motivates the desire to be pessimistic in a thread intended to share positive news.

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**Rickroller** · 06-08-2012, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by D_March

Purposely trying to find a negative in the midst of good news isn't really keeping it real. It is being a pessimist though. The question is what motivates the desire to be pessimistic in a thread intended to share positive news.

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Perhaps because i'm a pessimist naturaly? It drives the wife nuts sometimes, but I'll admit i'm very rarely disappointed in life no matter what comes my way. Expect the worse, and anything less is good news

**Superfly_FR** · 06-08-2012, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Rickroller

Perhaps because i'm a pessimist naturaly? It drives the wife nuts sometimes, but I'll admit i'm very rarely disappointed in life no matter what comes my way. Expect the worse, and anything less is good news

Was a long time, we almost missed you ... upgrading breads, creams and sandwiches ?

**houshinto#IM** · 06-08-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rickroller

Perhaps because i'm a pessimist naturaly? It drives the wife nuts sometimes, but I'll admit i'm very rarely disappointed in life no matter what comes my way. Expect the worse, and anything less is good news

Otherwise known as lowered expectations. But then if that's the case you really shouldn't complain period with much of what RIM has done? Things could have been much worse.

I'd also say there's nothing wrong with being pessimistic as long as you keep it to yourself. People feed off of other peoples energies and attitudes. That's not a weakness on their part. That's just how society works.

Just for clarification, I also think there's a difference between being constructively critical and being pessimistic.

**Rickroller** · 06-08-2012, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Houshinto

Otherwise known as lowered expectations. But then if that's the case you really shouldn't complain period with much of what RIM has done? Things could have been much worse.

I'd also say there's nothing wrong with being pessimistic as long as you keep it to yourself. People feed off of other peoples energies and attitudes. That's not a weakness on their part. That's just how society works.

Just for clarification, I also think there's a difference between being constructively critical and being pessimistic

Personally I wouldn't want to live in a world filled with nothing but cheerleading optimists where the kool-aid runs thick. Too cultish for my liking

**Rickroller** · 06-08-2012, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Superfly_FR

Was a long time, we almost missed you ... upgrading breads, creams and sandwiches ?

Not quite..changing newborn diapers mostly

**sleepngbear** · 06-08-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rickroller

I'm just "keeping it real" as the saying goes. While having 5 or 10 developers (whatever a handful may constitute) excited is better than none, to me personally, until I hear about some of the big names currently lacking on the platform jumping on board, everything else doesn't really matter.

Good point, and I'd agree with all except that other things do matter. In the state the business is in and with mostly bad news everywhere you turn, it's important for people to recognize that there are some significant positives developing (no pun intended). In this case, the contents of the articles are generally positive; but equally important is the fact that someone is actually reporting it instead of another rehashed circling-the-drain story.

Yes, there is still a lot of work to be done, and bringing on one or more of those big name apps would be a major boost. But in the absence of that, you can't discount the excitement among other devs about the platform that has never been there before.

**1magine** · 06-08-2012, 12:28 PM

The road to mediocrity has been paved with apologists, blind optimism and senseless cheerleading.

**sleepngbear** · 06-08-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by 1magine

The road to mediocrity has been paved with apologists, blind optimism and senseless cheerleading.

New road. New car. New driver.

Never mind being excited; if you don't see anything happening here to even be optimistic about -- and yours is clearly not the response of an optimist -- then why come here at all?

**1magine** · 06-08-2012, 02:26 PM

First -to use your very rough metaphor; Its a new road and a new driver, to be certain. The car: that has yet to be seen, and the navigation and mechanics - - well, they are still the same. That is new CEO, finally abandoning JAVA and talking plainly about where they are. That is all good. BB10 in the abstract appears to be outstanding.

However, assuming that RIM will do what it has not done for more than 3+ years, and deliver a fully realized, clean, compelling, consumer friendly handheld and on-time - in such a way as to completely turn the fortunes of the company around? That is a bridge too far for many people. Me? I'm on the fence.

Why do I come here? For the same reason I've been here since 2007, when I was sporting an 8700G. For news, leaks, information and to occassionally lend a hand to BB newbies. Clearly not because I think people might listen or pay attention.
http://forums.crackberry.com/rumored-devices-f150/early-storm-3-specs-leaked-476559/

**sleepngbear** · 06-08-2012, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by 1magine

First -to use your very rough metaphor; Its a new road and a new driver, to be certain. The car: that has yet to be seen, and the navigation and mechanics - - well, they are still the same. That is new CEO, finally abandoning JAVA and talking plainly about where they are. That is all good. BB10 in the abstract appears to be outstanding.

However, assuming that RIM will do what it has not done for more than 3+ years, and deliver a fully realized, clean, compelling, consumer friendly handheld and on-time - in such a way as to completely turn the fortunes of the company around? That is a bridge too far for many people. Me? I'm on the fence.

Why do I come here? For the same reason I've been here since 2007, when I was sporting an 8700G. For news, leaks, information and to occassionally lend a hand to BB newbies. Clearly not because I think people might listen or pay attention.
http://forums.crackberry.com/rumored-devices-f150/early-storm-3-specs-leaked-476559/

Listen or pay attention to what? Doom-and-gloom? More of this? This post of yours is hardly representative of any of the reasons you say you come here for. It doesn't sound like you're on the fence, it sounds like you've resolved yourself to another failure. You're welcome to your opinion, but in my opinion, that sentiment is misplaced in threads like this one.

Oh, and the car has been seen, at least in its early stages, and those who have seen it and what makes it work seem to be pretty impressed.