Nokia takes the first swipe at BlackBerry: They “make a great snack” but Lumia is better for busines

**Homo Erectus** · 01-30-2013, 08:45 PM

Nokia Canada has taken to Facebook to claim the first jab at the new BlackBerry smartphones. Nokia stated that “Blackberries make a great snack, but for the world’s best business smartphone try a Lumia.” This is of course part of the new “Make the Switch” marketing campaign that encourages people to use the Lumia.

Windows Phone has native Skype support along with Office applications, plus SkyDrive for backup. BlackBerry is known in the industry for having the best, probably most secure, email support for businesses, but Windows Phone 8 also added many modern security protocols. In addition, BlackBerry has SAP support, Box and Dropbox for cloud storage and will soon be adding Skype to their list of apps.

It’ll be very interesting to see who wins the battle for 3rd place
Nokia takes the first swipe at BlackBerry: They "make a great snack" but Lumia is better for business | MobileSyrup.com

**jesse_h** · 01-30-2013, 08:49 PM

Repost.

It's funny though, because Nokia is not a better phone for your business, it really isn't.

**bizzyqu** · 01-30-2013, 09:26 PM

Nothing says power-user like WP8...

**Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes** · 01-30-2013, 09:30 PM

Compare a live tile to an active frame. oh wait, you cant. theres no comparison

**SlcCorrado** · 01-30-2013, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by mcsemcp

Nokia stated that “Blackberries make a great snack, but for the world’s best business smartphone try a Lumia.”

That is too funny

**mrfreetruth** · 01-30-2013, 10:06 PM

Nokia took a swipe at blackberry because no one is talking about Nokia. They are irrelevent and everyone including nokia knows it.

**Enyigma** · 03-01-2013, 10:38 AM

Nokia is certainly pushing hard to take out BB in the business world. With Samsung already announcing it is going after the same market, is BB going to get squeezed out? The story at the link below describes Nokia's view with respect to tackling the business market and BlackBerry.

Nokia aims to win over BlackBerry business customers | therecord

Nokia is certainly having problems retaining customers with its current handset and Microsoft seems to be fighting for its life after finding the world of computing has shifted to mobile devices and seeing its market potential shrink considerably.

I don't think Nokia stands a good chance of making gains in this space. I find it odd that they view BB as a weaker company than themselves. Nokia is short of cash and having a hard time getting a lot of product on the shelves. BB still has around CAD $2.7 billion in cash and still has an operating surplus.

Still, BB should definitely be pursuing new growing spaces such as M2M and the "Internet of Things" in which it can be the leader and thrive. A story at the link below describes how M2M is and the size of the potential market. Since BB's QNX is already in so many devices, BB has a leg up on this opportunity.

http://www.therecord.com/news/busine...gains-momentum

**erodenero** · 03-01-2013, 12:18 PM

is there even an mdm solution for windows phone? how can nokia be better for business? lol

**sam_b77** · 03-01-2013, 01:28 PM

Well before they think about enterprise, Windows Phone has to make a proper OS. I have had the Nokia Lumia 900 for three months. Been using the Z10 for 2 days now and I have to realise just how unusable the Lumia is. Where checking mails, msgs, browing etc is fast and intuitive on the Z10, the Lumia is incredibly difficult to get around.

**THBW** · 03-01-2013, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

Well before they think about enterprise, Windows Phone has to make a proper OS. I have had the Nokia Lumia 900 for three months. Been using the Z10 for 2 days now and I have to realise just how unusable the Lumia is. Where checking mails, msgs, browing etc is fast and intuitive on the Z10, the Lumia is incredibly difficult to get around.

My bet is that Nokia will be one of the first companies to license BB10. WP8 is slowly sinking ship

**greatwiseone** · 03-01-2013, 08:21 PM

I laugh at Elop's attempt to swipe BlackBerry customers. How about releasing a qwerty version of the Lumia? Oh wait, no one buys qwerty...(except lots of business people). LOL

**lynxs_claw** · 03-01-2013, 08:26 PM

Wow all these mobile competitors in the news going after BB. Samsung, HTC.. , now Nokia .. BB must be doing something great!

**Enyigma** · 03-01-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by THBW

My bet is that Nokia will be one of the first companies to license BB10. WP8 is slowly sinking ship

Nokia had success with low-end devices in China. Perhaps they should license BB10 and go for the huge market in developing countries too. TH was looking to a license deal to penetrate the low price point market. Could be a win-win for both businesses.

**12Danny123** · 03-01-2013, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by THBW

My bet is that Nokia will be one of the first companies to license BB10. WP8 is slowly sinking ship

No offence dude. But you are incredibly stupid to think wp8 is a sinking ship. Wp already is 3rd in much of Europe. So I'll be careful of that word sinking ship

**THBW** · 03-02-2013, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by 12Danny123

No offence dude. But you are incredibly stupid to think wp8 is a sinking ship. Wp already is 3rd in much of Europe. So I'll be careful of that word sinking ship

No offense taken but it is time to start facing some hard reality. In my entire life, I have seen only one Nokia phone with WP8. It was a friend of mine who is an upper level executive with Microsoft. We have dinner on occasion and let me say that MS's mood has darken considerably over the last 6 months. It is pretty clear WP8 has failed make the inroads they expected. The problem stems from a lack of product differentiation and their inability to define the demographic to which their product is being sold. The knockon effects that were supposed to occur with the surface tablets hasn't materialized.
I appreciate that MS and by default Nokia are doing their best but why would someone consider buying their product. I can't think of one thing. That is the problem one runs into when your computer/design principals are identical to Apple and Android. There is simply no way to get around it. Contrast MS approach to that of BB. BB has said from the beginning that their product is designed for the hyperconnected. A bit of a buzz word but they know their market and the people they want to sell to. They bought QNX and designed their new OS based on a microkernal design. Exceeding powerful, power efficient, stable and inherently flexible. They then created a UI that was unique with concepts such as flow, peak, hub, balance. These are state-of-the-art and trend setting. It is pretty clear that Samsung thinks so which is why they are bent on incorporating several of these key features into their phones. And then there is the future where BB's microkernal design has the ability to incorporate M2M applications.

I will be blunt in my assessment for MS. They do not have a compelling footprint in the mobile space and this is problematic. Mobile applications are the growth industry and it is transforming computing at all levels. Just look at the windows platform for desktop computers. Five years ago, I would have laughed at the idea that there would ever be a competitor. But several companies are now positioning themselves be the first to merge mobile and desktop computing. This is a direct threat to MS and it's primary cash cow.

**Dapper37** · 03-02-2013, 02:52 AM

Trust me, nokia is pissing their pants right now! I would to if I tied my entire Corp to MS!

**Dapper37** · 03-02-2013, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by THBW

My bet is that Nokia will be one of the first companies to license BB10. WP8 is slowly sinking ship

LMAO, I was thinking this just before I saw your post! its looking like their last saving grace!

**meltbox360** · 03-02-2013, 03:10 AM

As much as I dislike the idea of licensed BB10 I would like to see Nokia build a BB10 phone. Nokia phones. I do like the build. As for windows phone. It is beautiful but simple things take too long to do on it. Its all wow and less about productivity. Not that it isn't an enjoyable platform but lack off a real global search and other limitations drive me back. Nive try Nokia. Try again just as hard. Evebtually I may be impressed enough to try out one of your windows phones. Although really my qualms are with Microsoft not Nokia.

**web99** · 03-02-2013, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by lynxs_claw

Wow all these mobile competitors in the news going after BB. Samsung, HTC.. , now Nokia .. BB must be doing something great!

That is my impression as well. They are all trying to go after the enterprise market, but I am not too sure about Nokia's prospects. They have had a 3 month head start, given the fact that they released last November, but really have not had the market share impact that they were expecting with the Lumia 920.

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**cgk** · 03-02-2013, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Enyigma

Nokia is certainly having problems retaining customers with its current handset and Microsoft seems to be fighting for its life after finding the world of computing has shifted to mobile devices and seeing its market potential shrink considerably.

It's not an area I look at in any detail but my understanding is that their enterprise side is still very strong and has grown, so they might be in translation and they might be irrelevant in a few years but at the moment are they 'fighting for their lifes'? Far from it.

I think the advantage that Nokia presents for the enterprise sector (especially if you are an office365 based business) is that they have some very cheap but pretty powerful phones for core business functions.

**cgk** · 03-02-2013, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by web99

That is my impression as well. They are all trying to go after the enterprise market, but I am not too sure about Nokia's prospects. They have had a 3 month head start, given the fact that they released last November, but really have not had the market share impact that they were expecting with the Lumia 920.

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Which is why it will be interesting to see what happens now they have a range of low and medium range phones.

**Dapper37** · 03-02-2013, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by cgk

It's not an area I look at in any detail but my understanding is that their enterprise side is still very strong and has grown, so they might be in translation and they might be irrelevant in a few years but at the moment are they 'fighting for their lifes'? Far from it.

I think the advantage that Nokia presents for the enterprise sector (especially if you are an office365 based business) is that they have some very cheap but pretty powerful phones for core business functions.

Sorry but as far as I can tell, nobody really cares if they have office 365 on their phones. It falls under the nice to have, not need to have App category IMO! Any enterprise worth the money will take security first!

**Dapper37** · 03-02-2013, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by cgk

Which is why it will be interesting to see what happens now they have a range of low and medium range phones.

Sorry once again, we've listened to you denounce blackberries low end subscribers for near a year or more. Now you want to tell us, that this is Nokia's path to success! Looks like your grasping at straws and changing your tune all at once. Good luck with it!!

**sportline** · 03-02-2013, 06:49 AM

I also use nokia 820 and on some aspects it is better than my z10..i.e corporate email/ exchange integration. Map and battery is also better. So Lumia is not all junk considering their line up from low end to high end.

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**cgk** · 03-02-2013, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Dapper37

Sorry once again, we've listened to you denounce blackberries low end subscribers for near a year or more. Now you want to tell us, that this is Nokia's path to success! Looks like your grasping at straws and changing your tune all at once. Good luck with it!!

Dude, I'm married so we can't date. If you think I'm wrong,I'm wrong but the passive aggressive stuff is getting a little tiresome, I'm starting to feel like you are stalking me and that's creepy considering we are talking about mobile phones and nothing of real important.