New BlackBerry 10.0.9.903 Build Hands-on!

**TX Jedi** · 11-08-2012, 11:24 AM

not a ton of new info, but it's something!

New BlackBerry 10.0.9.903 Build Hands-on! - N4BB

**Knightcrawler** · 11-08-2012, 11:52 AM

exciting stuff. I wonder if Rim can give us a rough estimate of how much of BB10 has been shown off currently ie: 10%, 15%, 40% etc.

**Rello** · 11-08-2012, 02:38 PM

Even if they've showed 70% I'd still be happy. I'm extremely excited to see what they won't show until weeks from launch. Happy to see that the file manager is being overhauled cause sweet baby jesus is it terrible on the PlayBook. Keep the good news coming

**Jonesy1966** · 11-08-2012, 02:49 PM

I'm thinking BB10 might just be great enough to erase all my memories of OS6

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**Rello** · 11-08-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jonesy1966

I'm thinking BB10 might just be great enough to erase all my memories of OS6

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Lol if it just gets rid of the 1980's boot up times and the need for battery pulls I will be perfectly happy. I have so much high hopes for BB10 and I hope they don't let people down.

**gtpointer** · 11-08-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rello

Lol if it just gets rid of the 1980's boot up times and the need for battery pulls I will be perfectly happy. I have so much high hopes for BB10 and I hope they don't let people down.

TBH if there's no need for battery pulls, boot up time doesn't reaaally matter does it? Anyway you can rest assured that these two issues have been resolved!

**BBPandy** · 11-08-2012, 05:44 PM

From my experience, the PDF reader is much improved from the Playbook version.

I'm glad becuase the PDF reader on the PB couldn't really get much worse

I wish he had gone into detail here about how it's improved. Bookmarks?, Search? ect.

The other big news for me is that it will have a filemanager. Lucas was being too kind when he called the PB's filemanager "mickymouse" Thankfully there are some great browsers that you can DL....though nothing beats a built-in native filemanager.

**OniPod** · 11-08-2012, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by gtpointer

TBH if there's no need for battery pulls, boot up time doesn't reaaally matter does it? Anyway you can rest assured that these two issues have been resolved!

Sorry, but Boot time does matter.

**BBPandy** · 11-08-2012, 05:58 PM

N4BB now has:
Audio Walkthrough of new BlackBerry 10.0.9.903 Build

**Bobcat665** · 11-08-2012, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rello

Lol if it just gets rid of the 1980's boot up times and the need for battery pulls I will be perfectly happy. I have so much high hopes for BB10 and I hope they don't let people down.

There's no such thing as perfect software and never will be. There will always be a need for a device software reset facility of one type or another. You can reduce the need for OS resets BUT you cannot totally eliminate them. And, yes, I hope that RIM can significantly reduce boot times simply because of the fact that reboots will always be needed...

**gariac** · 11-09-2012, 02:27 AM

I haven't need to boot my phone much on OS6, other than for some app deletion. And not a battery pull, but a three finger salute.

OS5 was another story. Lots of battery pulls.

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**r0v3rT3N** · 11-09-2012, 06:22 AM

This kind of makes it look BB10 might launch with version 10.1...

**gtpointer** · 11-09-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Oniberry

Sorry, but Boot time does matter.

Great argument there. Really furthered the discussion.

Originally Posted by Bobcat665

There's no such thing as perfect software and never will be. There will always be a need for a device software reset facility of one type or another. You can reduce the need for OS resets BUT you cannot totally eliminate them. And, yes, I hope that RIM can significantly reduce boot times simply because of the fact that reboots will always be needed...

This is a better argument. I agree you can't totally eliminate them, but the significance of a 5 minute boot time when you have to reboot once a month is far less than a 5 minute boot time when you have to reboot once every couple of days. So short of the once a month reboot being under time pressured circumstances, I don't see how it's a problem. Obviously it would be preferable but it doesn't matter in the sense that it shouldn't affect your purchasing decision.

**mithrazor** · 11-09-2012, 09:15 AM

It's not how many times I have to reboot that's my problem.

It's how long the boot is. Regardless of when or how often I do it.

**mike-berry** · 11-09-2012, 10:13 AM

Amazing can't wait any longer.

**Cesare21** · 11-09-2012, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by gtpointer

Great argument there. Really furthered the discussion.

This is a better argument. I agree you can't totally eliminate them, but the significance of a 5 minute boot time when you have to reboot once a month is far less than a 5 minute boot time when you have to reboot once every couple of days. So short of the once a month reboot being under time pressured circumstances, I don't see how it's a problem. Obviously it would be preferable but it doesn't matter in the sense that it shouldn't affect your purchasing decision.

I agree, with incessant reboots out of the way, a long-ish boot up time shouldn't be a deal breaker.

Originally Posted by mithrazor

It's not how many times I have to reboot that's my problem.

It's how long the boot is. Regardless of when or how often I do it.

I remember (perhaps it was Bla1ze) RIM is working to reduce the boot time. In fact RIM will be loading only the minimum necessary services required for boot up. The downside, apps that depend on such services may take longer to load. I haven't seen a clarification or further explanation on this though.

**gtpointer** · 11-09-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by mithrazor

It's not how many times I have to reboot that's my problem.

It's how long the boot is. Regardless of when or how often I do it.

But it doesn't really matter how long it is if you can do something else in the meantime, it's only if it went wrong so I had to reboot and I needed to use my phone quickly that it would be a problem. In a similar vein, I don't care how long my kettle takes to boil as I can do something else in the meantime (and I boil my kettle a lot more than I reboot my phone, even with BBOS :P). Anyway as cesare21 pointed out, this is all academic as RIM is dealing with this anyway.

**cgk** · 11-09-2012, 12:46 PM

Interesting nugget here about browser speed.

**BaconMunch** · 11-09-2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by cgk

Interesting nugget here about browser speed.

Wait, what's going on? What's BlackBerry 5 on the infographic? If that's 10, it smokes anything out there on any platform....

**dentynefire** · 11-09-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by cgk

Interesting nugget here about browser speed.

CGK! Interesting? This should be on the front page!

**Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes** · 11-09-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by cgk

Interesting nugget here about browser speed.

excellent news about blackberry browser. and there really isnt anything else from other platforms launching before bb10 so based off thst it should still be the fastest when it comes out.

**Shao128** · 11-09-2012, 02:25 PM

Since there has been some discussion on reboots, just thought I'd throw this in here, take it for what it's worth....

Quote from Thorsten:

I’ve had a BlackBerry 10 device on my hip for eight weeks. I have never had to reset it, and it has never frozen. The key is in the multi-kernel: if you hit a process and it does not execute properly, the icon goes grey, but the device carries on working. Just that one process gets restarted. It has a wonderful recovery process; it blocks this one process and the others continue to flow. It goes deep into the technology of the microkernel multi-threading process, and that allows us to have an immensely reliable system.

Source: Thorsten Heins interview Pt 2: Secrets of BlackBerry 10 | Marklives!com

**Berry_Pink** · 11-09-2012, 02:39 PM

very small point but im so pleased that bb10 has a psp emulator already, im huge on emulators lol

**DuexNoir** · 11-09-2012, 03:19 PM

This...

"Switching the device into bedside mode transforms the clock into a darker-themed clock. The wake-up/alarm function is something to marvel though. The device slowly begins to light up, as if mimicking a sunrise. The music slowly begins to fade in, synchronously with the increasing brightness of the clock. The implementation is elegant and effective, a running theme in the new BlackBerry 10 OS."

...I want to see. I don't think any of the video demos showed this yet.

**Cesare21** · 11-09-2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Shao128

Since there has been some discussion on reboots, just thought I'd throw this in here, take it for what it's worth....

Quote from Thorsten:

Source: Thorsten Heins interview Pt 2: Secrets of BlackBerry 10 | Marklives!com

Hey Shao,

This is interesting, considering the OS is not fully baked. Is there any information out there as to what happens if a process hangs, how the OS handles it, including if the process restarts auto or the user has to re-invoke that process or something?