- 12-09-12, 09:01 PM #76
- 12-10-12, 12:57 AM #79
- 12-10-12, 01:16 AM #80
I personally wish RIM launched their devices alongside Apple's timeline.
Berry users are berry users at the end of the day in my opinion. Especially at this point, people who have stuck with RIM are here because they want to be. It would be nice to have a fresh new device when everyone else is carrying the latest and greatest from their manufacturer/OS of choice.
- 12-10-12, 02:12 AM #82
Either which way, the assertion of kevinugent regarding the car analogy and third world countries has no place in this discussion. There are enough people in India and China who can afford high end devices to make it a lucrative market.
I would love to see how many people in USA can afford a $800 phone if the carriers withdraw their subsidy.
- 12-10-12, 03:00 AM #83
My assertion was that a higher proportion of cars sold in places like China and India tend to be "luxury" brands, compared to more developed countries. The reason being, that the majority of people with sufficient income to afford a car, can buy whatever car they want. Thus, a lower proportion of Hondas and Toyotas are sold compared to more developed countries with higher per capita GDP. In the US, there's almost one motor vehicle per person, the vast majority being mid-range cars and pick-up trucks, because almost everybody can afford one (also easy financing plays a part), but the people who can afford high end Mercedes class cars are still a small minority. In India, the people who can afford Mercedes class cars are also a small minority, but so are the people who can afford cars at all, and they're basically the same people.
The same happens in China, but because it has a significantly higher per capita GDP, the number of cars is higher. The higher Gini index in China also plays a part, bad income distribution means a larger upper class. Put those together and you basically have about 10% of Chinese having very high income and everybody else getting by on $500 a month.
I do however, agree with your assertion that the majority of people living in NA or Western Europe have no idea what the situation is like in emerging markets, especially places like India and China.
- 12-10-12, 06:46 AM #86
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12-10-12, 11:29 AM #88
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- 12-10-12, 12:06 PM #90
Certainly there is a market for high end smartphones in India. I never said there isn't. Every country has an upper class. It's the upper class in India that buys $600+ smartphones. These are the same people who buy cars. Surely there are some outliers, people who would be upper middle class, who can afford to buy expensive smartphones, and surely they do. The issue is, it's not a very large group. In 2012, about 18 million smartphones will be sold. Of that 18 million.... what percentage will be for smartphones that cost $600+? I suspect it's not going to be the majority. I think it might very well be a little over 3 million. In 2012, India is going to sell about 3 million cars..... Coincidence?
Addendum: The previous analysis was just for India.... For China, the dynamics are quite different. In 2013, the expected sales for smartphones will be about 230-240 million, almost a quarter of subscribers, much higher numbers than India. There are multiple reasons for this, not the least of which is higher income, about $6K per capita GDP, and a very consumer centric economy.
- 12-10-12, 12:18 PM #91
Again just to point out in India we have to pay full price. So the guy who has bought a lowly curve has still shelled out as much money as Americans do for the iPhone. And he would change it in 8 months, not wait for three years. Statistics alone won't explain why this happens.
- CrackBerry Addict
12-10-12, 12:24 PM #92
- 963 Posts
I agree. As I said before that is why RIM being smart offering low cost BBs for middle class and that will continue for 2013 and then when BB10 is ported over to new low cost models everyone will be buying bb10 only. This platform is good for next 5 years and RIM just have to update it and make money..
- 12-10-12, 05:01 PM #93
- 12-11-12, 05:36 AM #95
I had a play with an L yesterday (that the code for the slab phone rather than the keyboard one right?) - looked just like the leaked photos and the person who had it said that RIM had told him that it was the final design.
In the short period I played with it, the OS seems very snappy and very easy to use, I wasn't confused in the way that some tech pundits claim users are - the hardware is solid but a bit too generic looking for my tastes. Still if BB10 fails it's not going to be on the OS level (but I see the OS as a hygiene factor rather than something of critical importance anyway).
- CrackBerry Genius
12-11-12, 01:52 PM #96
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- 12-11-12, 03:16 PM #97
I just telling you what he told me - his organisation was seeded the devices last week - they liked them a lot. If you think its a lot of bollocks, well you think its a lot of bollocks and there isn't a lot I can do about that - the device looked like the pictures I've seen a black slab, I don't remember much of a texture - got a link to those new pictures?
- 12-11-12, 03:34 PM #99
is the software the same as what we've seen in demos? did they say if they would get updates after the devices are fully launched?
- 12-11-12, 07:09 PM #100
RIM is trying to keep most things a secret, not surprising this buddy of yours was told this. RIM won't let Anyone of the public know anything because well for ONE, NEWS starts to accumulate and word of mouth happens. If the device or devices back cover keeps changing, then RIM is doing great at making sure the Final backing is Top secret and will do this to throw everyone off. Your buddy was the First to be thrown off.
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