- CrackBerry Abuser
12-19-2012, 10:59 AM #26
- 182 Posts
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I think it's more like "what it works for me, maybe doesn't work for you." I find Instagram totally useless, but a LOT of people DO find it useful, it all comes down to that. If it works for you, cool, download it, if not, then shut the f**** up and let it be, it doesn't affect you, right?
I kinda find amusing how people go this thread about apps that they DON'T LIKE or WANT to complain about other people wanting those apps.
So, this is indeed good news for BB10
- 12-19-2012, 11:04 AM #28
one popular app announcement everyday till 30th Jan something that will beat WP8's "46 of 50 top apps"
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- 12-19-2012, 11:29 AM #30
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- CrackBerry Abuser
12-19-2012, 10:30 PM #33
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I also don't see where the collective opinion on this website is negative towards the app. You just have people who admit they dont use it and have no use for it, plus a few that will be negative simply because it's not on the platform. Those folks aren't in the majority. Even in this thread it is still heavily slanted toward people who want it.
I guess some folks just like fighting against air.
- 12-20-2012, 03:12 AM #34Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons; for thou art crunchy, and good with ketchup
"When debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" ~Socrates
- 12-20-2012, 03:43 AM #35
Off-topic, but I always chuckle when BB'ers proudly quote the "BB is a tool" expression. On this side of the pond, being described as "a tool" isn't complimentary. In British slang it means stupid and useless, e.g. "that bloke is a complete tool".Proud Member of the PlayBook Beta Test Team (Since June 2011)
- 12-20-2012, 03:02 PM #36
People aren't saying apps aren't important, they obviously are. People are getting sick and tired of hearing/reading "If app X isn't there I won't switch", or "I use app X all the time so it needs to be there", and then the follow-on implications that if that person doesn't switch then no one will switch and BB10 will be a failure. There have been many apps that haven't been announced and RIM is trying to have a meaningful announcement on January 30th which means that they may have asked companies via either NDA or business agreement to deny to the public that they are writing apps for BB10, but they may in fact be there at launch. Instagram has been the biggest red herring of all because CBK said it was coming over a month ago I believe, and people still whine about not having something from RIM that is official stating it is coming and having to tell us why it needs to be on BB10. Wait for the fracking announcement on January 30th people and then go off on your app tirades and stating why one app is more important than another and trying to sell the CB community on its sheer awesomeness. For many people if BB10 did not have Instagram available it would prevent them from switching to or trying the platform, for many other people if Instagram isn't there it won't stop them from buying the device. Better to be there than not to have both groups covered, but it isn't the end all be all app, in fact no single app is. What is important to one, is not important to all. January 30th can't get here soon enough. It will stop the speculative whining over specific apps and start the "legitimate" whining over specific apps and associated predictions of failure.
- 12-20-2012, 07:53 PM #37Back from the depths!!!
- 12-21-2012, 12:39 AM #40
But anyway Instagram came out to tell people that they aren't selling their photos. People need to stop being overdramatic and honestly read the T&C if you really are cynical about the hearsay
- 12-21-2012, 02:51 AM #41
@qbnkelt I read in another thread how several years ago apps was unheard of and that apps became popular due to deficicency of the Iphone. Now that our mobile phones are moving closer to our home/work computers in power would you or do you consider them to be deficient? I agree with your point about going to a website as being less productive/efficient, but if developers don't/won't make apps for BB10 the alternative for those who want to stay with BB10 is to go the websites.
Please understand I'm not trying to argue I just want your thoughts on this, you seem to be well spoken of and respected here.
- 12-21-2012, 03:30 AM #42
Instagram is not a big deal for me, but in terms of the general public, it might be a deal breaker. I've heard people who bought WP say that they're switching back because it doesn't have instagram. Nonetheless, if this is true and BB10 get Instagram before WP does, it really says a lot about BlackBerry. WP has been around for a couple of years, compared to BB10, a platform that no consumer can get their hands on at the moment. Instagram deciding to do an app for BB10 before WP might be a very good PR for RIM.
That said, who knows, perhaps Microsoft is testing their Instagram on WP8 already and will have it pushed out before 30th Jan.
- 12-21-2012, 04:36 AM #43
Apps did indeed become extremely popular when the iPhone came out because the initial models, and into the 3GS, really, lacked basic functionalities that the apps remedied. Ditto for Android, where the handset is really more what you make of it through the use of apps than it is out of the box. Blackberries have always been more of an out of the box, ready to go experience,
However....once the iPhone and Android exploded, end users began being used to having apps. that once filled a gap, become an enhanced experience on a device. It is true that I can access a website through better browsers, but apps offer streamlined functionalities. In another thread I mentioned the convenience of simply ordering a pizza on a phone. That doesn't all relevance to my existence but it makes it so simple to just punch up what a want and have it delivered in 30 minutes. That is where apps come in, they add convenience, streamline interactions with the phone, or provide information in an enhanced manner. When I am waiting for the Circulator to arrive at my stop in DC, it's simply an enhanced experience.
Let's talk what happened last night. RIM posted that it lost 1 million subscribers. It is gaining subscribers in developing markets, yes. So if it lost 1 million subscribers I would guess that it lost those subscribers in markets where customers are expecting the enhanced experience that apps provide. There exists no reason why one would argue against something that customers are deciding they want. RIM need to regain its space and compete. It won't compete by maintaining the status quo.
This argument arises when one group who feels that apps are unimportant expresses that opinion and those who feel that apps indeed matter counter that opinion. Then comes the name calling, the tools not toys, the iSheep, etc. Well, bottom line is choice. Let the app selection be there. If customers want it let it be one less reason to choose something other than a BB.
I started out hating the iPhone. Raged against it. Then I hated Androids. RAGED against it. SCREAMED to the high Heavens how apps are unnecessary. Fought people here when they said RIM was in trouble. Then out of intellectual curiosity and a great deal of geekiness, I decided to try those devices I had raged against and insulted people over. And guess what.....I enjoyed them. Then I began to see that there were apps that I could use on them that were not available on my BB. And I understood why a consumer would in fact choose a device that affords them the ability to use those apps. It is not for me to tell someone that the manner in which he wants to use his phone is ridiculous, infantile, conformist. I didn't spend the money on his device. Why should I have an opinion on it? But I do care that there were 1 million subscribers this last quarter who went elsewhere. Because I do want my BB to be in my purse alongside my iPhone and my Android.
It's not about Instagram only. It's not about any one app. It's that in the aggregate, other phones provide enhanced experiences through those apps that are causing people to choose them over BB. And those were the 1 million subscribers that BB just lost. Those who looked a 9900, looked at an SGIII, and saw no contest. I have both devices, and I can say that the experience on my SGIII is light years over that on my 9900. Aside from the out of control ridiculously wonderful 9900 keyboard, I feel that my SGIII eats my 9900's lunch. And apps are a huge part of that. When I can't call up a car insurance card on a device using a substandard app on a 9900 and I can call it up on my Skyrocket and send it to the lady at the DMV window, that is, in my opinion, an instance where a useful app on my Android killed a supposedly comparable app on my 9900.
I am not a RIM hater. Far from it. I have paid cash for so many devices that people on this very site have told me I have "single child syndrome" and a "first world problem" because of it. I have bought BB after BB after BB, cash. I've sponsored a PB pilot at work that failed miserably and caused me to be ridiculed within my branch for my proposal's failure. I have stopped my agency's intent to submit a request for information to migrate to other devices until BB10 launches. But I am not blind to RIM's problems.
Apps are a RIM deficiency. 1 million subscribers were lost this quarter. I would hazard a guess that apps were part of the reason they were lost.Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons; for thou art crunchy, and good with ketchup
"When debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" ~Socrates
- 12-21-2012, 12:53 PM #45Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted
- CrackBerry Addict
12-21-2012, 03:05 PM #46
- 590 Posts
when i'm ordering domino's i usually just call them... perhaps i am a dying breed.
back on topic: glad to hear about instagram. a few people in my social circles love/can't live without it. when it comes to bb10 i'll download it and immediately follow paulina gretzky.Z10 - Playbook 32GB
- 12-21-2012, 08:19 PM #47
Anyone wanna place bets on it being an Android port?
- 12-22-2012, 02:17 AM #49
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