How long has BBOS multitasked?

[larryseltzer]

Yesterday Apple was granted a patent (#8,082,523 -sorry I'm not allowed to do links here yet, sheesh!) for the following:

A portable electronic device displays, on a touch screen display, a user interface for a phone application during a phone call. In response to detecting activation of a menu icon or menu button, the UI for the phone application is replaced with a menu of application icons, while maintaining the phone call. In response to detecting a finger gesture on a non-telephone service application icon, displaying a user interface for the non-telephone service application while continuing to maintain the phone call, the UI for the non-telephone service application including a switch application icon that is not displayed in the UI when there is no ongoing phone call. In response to detecting a finger gesture on the switch application icon, replacing display of the UI for the non-telephone service application with a respective UI for the phone application while continuing to maintain the phone call.

The patent application date was January 6, 2008.

I remember the Verizon Blackberry I got in early 2009 could do this. It was CDMA so the apps couldn't access the data network, but my quick read of the patent says nothing about the apps using the network, it's all about the UI of the app.

I've tried to research history of the BB OS on this and failed. Does anyone know how long it's been in BB?

[avt123]

My 8330 was able to in 2008...

Apple's new app-switching patent could spell trouble for Android

This patent is absolutely ridiculous. The patent system needs some serious reform. Apple can now sue EVERYONE because of this patent.

[larryseltzer]

If someone could provide documentation of when BBOS was able to do this I'd be in their debt (not like their's money in it, but I would appreciate it)

[Rickroller]

Originally Posted by larryseltzer

I've tried to research history of the BB OS on this and failed. Does anyone know how long it's been in BB?

It wouldn't really matter how long RIM has been doing this if Apple got to the patent first for it.

Originally Posted by avt123

My 8330 was able to in 2008...

Apple's new app-switching patent could spell trouble for Android

This patent is absolutely ridiculous. The patent system needs some serious reform. Apple can now sue EVERYONE because of this patent.

Agreed. Apple should just concentrate on innovating rather than courtroom drama. Just one more reason for me to have a hate on for them I guess..

[larryseltzer]

It wouldn't really matter how long RIM has been doing this if Apple got to the patent first for it.

That's not completely true, it would be prior art and a basis for challenging the patent. It would also be a good reason for Apple not to exercise the patent and for competitors not to worry about it.

I have to agree, this is one of the more bull[b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b] patents I've seen

[Sith_Apprentice]

Its been quite a while, before the 8800 series came out i believe. 6xxx series probably. Remember BlackBerry has been around for more than a decade. This patent wont stand up if RIM challenges it. Heck, even HP could challenge it since they own the pattents that PALM had (i believe).

[southlander]

Originally Posted by Rickroller

It wouldn't really matter how long RIM has been doing this if Apple got to the patent first for it.

Prior art.


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[Rickroller]

Originally Posted by larryseltzer

That's not completely true, it would be prior art and a basis for challenging the patent. It would also be a good reason for Apple not to exercise the patent and for competitors not to worry about it.

I have to agree, this is one of the more bull[b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b] patents I've seen

I don't know if it would be considered prior art because the Apple patent seems like it applies to touchscreens only (along with finger gestures)..which we know BB's didn't have until the Storm series.

EDIT: And the prior art argument didn't seem to matter when Apple was granted the "Slide to Lock" patent which had been seen used long before Apple used it.

[avt123]

Originally Posted by Rickroller

Agreed. Apple should just concentrate on innovating rather than courtroom drama. Just one more reason for me to have a hate on for them I guess..

It's not like they are the only ones doing it. They are the most vocal about it. Luckily for Apple with the cash they have, they can concentrate on suing for what they think is theirs and innovating.

They are using the system to their advantage. Smart business. It's BS but it is smart. Blaming Apple is a small part, the bigger blame should be put on the crappy excuse for a patent system. That is what is allowing companies to sue each other for the smallest things.

Patent reform is needed badly. Until then, it is a warzone for everybody.

And you sound exactly like Google with that statement lol. They have a point, but they also steal and know they will be sued. They cry but make it harder for themselves. They know the system but don't comply anyways and then just cry that it is bad. They try to act oblivious and that just feeds the patent trolls which is basically giving them a free win. But like I said, I agree with them that these patents stifle innovation.

[avt123]

Originally Posted by larryseltzer

That's not completely true, it would be prior art and a basis for challenging the patent. It would also be a good reason for Apple not to exercise the patent and for competitors not to worry about it.

I have to agree, this is one of the more bull[b][/b][b][/b][b][/b][b][/b] patents I've seen

The worst I have seen is the patent for "pressing a button to take a picture" and "after taking a picture having the image appear on the screen" or something like that. I believe it was Kodak? I think they sued almost every smartphone manufacturer.

[Rickroller]

Originally Posted by avt123

It's not like they are the only ones doing it. They are the most vocal about it. Luckily for Apple with the cash they have, they can concentrate on suing for what they think is theirs and innovating.

They are using the system to their advantage. Smart business. It's BS but it is smart. Blaming Apple is a small part, the bigger blame should be put on the crappy excuse for a patent system. That is what is allowing companies to sue each other for the smallest things.

Patent reform is needed badly. Until then, it is a warzone for everybody.

And you sound exactly like Google with that statement lol. They have a point, but they also steal and know they will be sued. They cry but make it harder for themselves. They know the system but don't comply anyways and then just cry that it is bad. They try to act oblivious and that just feeds the patent trolls which is basically giving them a free win. But like I said, I agree with them that these patents stifle innovation.

These patent suits are just Apple's way of trying to slow the competition down. Like throwing elbows at your competitors during a track meet. They might not be the only ones doing it, but i'm pretty sure they started it.

All's it's forcing Android manufacturers to do is re-write some code here and there in order to comply. As for the one they just won against HTC..whoopity do. It only applies to some of the older model phones that are nearing their EOL anyways, and will be fully EOL by the time the patent actually kicks into effect.

It's just a waste of everyone's time imo..and boils down to SJ's hate on for Android. But meh..i'll let the phone makers worry about it anyways. It's not my fight

[avt123]

Originally Posted by Rickroller

These patent suits are just Apple's way of trying to slow the competition down. Like throwing elbows at your competitors during a track meet. They might not be the only ones doing it, but i'm pretty sure they started it.

All's it's forcing Android manufacturers to do is re-write some code here and there in order to comply. As for the one they just won against HTC..whoopity do. It only applies to some of the older model phones that are nearing their EOL anyways, and will be fully EOL by the time the patent actually kicks into effect.

It's just a waste of everyone's time imo..and boils down to SJ's hate on for Android. But meh..i'll let the phone makers worry about it anyways. It's not my fight

Exactly Rick. If you think about it it really is not a big deal and so far it has not hurt the consumers at all. Those devices like you said are EOL. By the time these suits are settled, new things are already out.

However this patent can hurt current and future devices. Like you said, I'll let them worry about it. I'm sure they will all figure something out.

[rmjones101]

The US patent system is now a "First to File" system, not a "First to Invent". So prior art is a non-issue.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

Its been quite a while, before the 8800 series came out i believe. 6xxx series probably. Remember BlackBerry has been around for more than a decade. This patent wont stand up if RIM challenges it. Heck, even HP could challenge it since they own the pattents that PALM had (i believe).

It won't stand up. I've heard rumblings legal is already checking into it.

[menaknow]

I still remember Windows Mobile OS (not windows Phone 7) doing touch screen where you can click a start button to open a menu.

That was in 2005. That alone tells me that this can be challenged by most vendors.

What this hurts is independent developers like me, who want to make applications in our spare time to solve a requirement, but instead has to worry about Lodsys or Apple having a vague patent that says, they own the ability to do something.

I wonder if someone one day will show up with a patent for taking a dump in the toilet. That person will be full of s***.