Heins talks to Kevin but won't talk to The Star

[andyJH]

Five ideas to help RIM find its marketing mojo - thestar.com

"While investors weren’t altogether impressed and RIM’s shares slid Monday, Heins did impress another influencer – tech blog CrackBerry. Heins made his first media outreach to the BlackBerry follower on Sunday night, according to blogger and avid BlackBerry fan Kevin Michaluk. (He did not, however, reach out to the Star Monday despite repeated attempts)."

[Sith_Apprentice]

CB has millions of registered BlackBerry users, many of those quite active on the boards. The Star does not have this same appeal. Reaching out here shows that social media IS something RIM is addressing, and they are starting with their largest single fan base.

[stillers2]

haha good for him. go to the star on your mobile device and read the url...

[krooz]

good for him! thestart is part of the iMedia group right along the BGR and nothing good will come out of talking to them.

Any publication that talks about "huge Apple" and how Apple is "the establishment" (quotes are from the actual article) while Android has been outselling the iPhone for months now is clearly lacking some journalistic integrity imo.

[Palmless]

Originally Posted by krooz

Any publication that talks about "huge Apple" and how Apple is "the establishment" (quotes are from the actual article) while Android has been outselling the iPhone for months now is clearly lacking some journalistic integrity imo.

Wait... what?!?!?

Which Android has been outselling the iPhone??? When did that happen?

Oh... waaaaitaminute... do you mean all Android models PUT TOGETHER are outselling the iPhone?

Kind of like how all the other AFC quarterbacks have more touchdowns than Brady?

[undone]

Originally Posted by Palmless

Wait... what?!?!?

Which Android has been outselling the iPhone??? When did that happen?

Oh... waaaaitaminute... do you mean all Android models PUT TOGETHER are outselling the iPhone?

Kind of like how all the other AFC quarterbacks have more touchdowns than Brady?

Or like how every Android sale benefits the whole Android market vs how the iPhone only benefits Apple.

I would say its more like Brady getting swarmed by three teams of defensive men. While unfair, that's the reality of Android.

[Sith_Apprentice]

in theory you should look at either 1 model vs any other 1 model, or each OS. So if you want to compare Android to iOS, include the iPad and iPod touch models that use iOS. I am sure the numbers would be much closer, and likely in favor of Apple still at that point. Like em or hate em, they are a massive force in mobility.

[Palmless]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

in theory you should look at either 1 model vs any other 1 model, or each OS. So if you want to compare Android to iOS, include the iPad and iPod touch models that use iOS. I am sure the numbers would be much closer, and likely in favor of Apple still at that point. Like em or hate em, they are a massive force in mobility.

Agreed.

The comparisons are always "(Android) versus (iOS minus iPad minus iPod Touch)", which is curious.

I think Apple would be happy with Android v iOS, or iPhone 4S v AnyAndroid device as comparisons? Durn media bias.

[rmjones101]

Only took 3 replies until this thread derailed into another phone-vs-phone debate. =/

[Economist101]

Originally Posted by undone

Or like how every Android sale benefits the whole Android market vs how the iPhone only benefits Apple.

Yeah that seems to be working really well for Samsung and (occasionally) HTC, but none of the other Android OEMs seem to be getting much of a benefit. Even HTC has begun to slip recently, and all of the Android OEMS are talking about reducing the number of phones they release (Samsung already has). Most individual Android devices have become the movie that has one big weekend and then disappears; there's not a lot of market staying power there.

[Palmless]

Originally Posted by rmjones101

Only took 3 replies until this thread derailed into another phone-vs-phone debate. =/

Durn trollers... oh wait... I'm pretty sure that a loyalist turned the thread to Apple...

[krooz]

Originally Posted by Palmless

Wait... what?!?!?

Which Android has been outselling the iPhone??? When did that happen?

arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/01/ios-catches-up-to-android-in-december-sales-thanks-to-iphone-4s.ars

(Sorry can't post links yet, hope the above works)

Its a Nielsen survey, check out the second chart. It compares sales of Android vs iOS. iOS did come close in December of 2011 - but were still lower than Android. Notice how in October and November Android was ahead by a wide margin.

I really didn't mean to turn this into a full blown platform discussion, it was more a statement about the fact-checking at thestar...

[Economist101]

Originally Posted by krooz

arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/01/ios-catches-up-to-android-in-december-sales-thanks-to-iphone-4s.ars

(Sorry can't post links yet, hope the above works)

Its a Nielsen survey, check out the second chart. It compares sales of Android vs iOS. iOS did come close in December of 2011 - but were still lower than Android. Notice how in October and November Android was ahead by a wide margin.

I really didn't mean to turn this into a full blown platform discussion, it was more a statement about the fact-checking at thestar...

He didn't dispute that Android phones collectively outsell the iPhone; rather, he faulted the comparison. Factually, when having these kinds of discussions, there's exactly one stat that favors Android: smartphone marketshare. Other metrics favor other vendors (RIM still leads in enterprise, Apple leads in overall profit, individual model sales and tablet sales, etc). So, while Android does have some pretty strong advantages over the iPhone in terms of sheer numbers, it's not terribly profitable, it's not very successful in enterprise and it hasn't really caught on in tablets.

[Sith_Apprentice]

Originally Posted by Economist101

He didn't dispute that Android phones collectively outsell the iPhone; rather, he falted the comparison. Factually, when having these kinds of discussions, there's exactly one stat that favors Android: smartphone marketshare. Other metrics favor other vendors (RIM still leads in enterprise, Apple leads in overall profit, individual model sales and tablet sales, etc). So, while Android does have some pretty strong advantages over the iPhone in terms of sheer numbers, it's not terribly profitable (unless you are Microsoft), it's not very successful in enterprise and it hasn't really caught on in tablets.

Ok fixed your comment lol

[krooz]

Originally Posted by Economist101

He didn't dispute that Android phones collectively outsell the iPhone; rather, he falted the comparison. Factually, when having these kinds of discussions, there's exactly one stat that favors Android: smartphone marketshare. Other metrics favor other vendors (RIM still leads in enterprise, Apple leads in overall profit, individual model sales and tablet sales, etc). So, while Android does have some pretty strong advantages over the iPhone in terms of sheer numbers, it's not terribly profitable, it's not very successful in enterprise and it hasn't really caught on in tablets.

Oh, I absolutely agree with this. You can slice and dice the statistics to make any of the leading platforms to make them look like a winner in a segment, vertical, category or geographic region. Heck, if you break it down by manufacturer you can even end up with Foxxconn in the top :-)

My original point was not so much on which platform is superior, dominant etc but rather how thestar (where this thread started) makes it look like Apple is the undisputed, hands-down winner, no-questions-asked. Given the huge market share of Android devices over the last 6-12 months (they did outsell Apple 3:1 as recently as October 2011) any claims of Apple's hands-down superiority are in my mind not factually correct and any media source that makes it appear like that is biased.

So, good for Heins for shunning the biased media and coming to where objectivism lives - crackberry.com