- CrackBerry Abuser
04-06-2012, 01:10 PM #26
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- 04-06-2012, 04:08 PM #27
RIM needs to create a buzz about BB10 so that everyone is aware that this marks a new dawn for the company.
- 04-06-2012, 04:15 PM #28
I don't see this happening. I don't think Nokia can out-perform RIM. But that's just my opinion. Nokia has already released out of their "turn around" of the company. RIM's in the process. We have to wait and see how BBOS stack up against the competition before this can truly be considered. WinMo has grown but is still behind BBOS. Good target for them, but I don't see it happening.
- CrackBerry Abuser
04-06-2012, 04:32 PM #29
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- 04-06-2012, 05:00 PM #31
If there was a malware problem that affected iPhones or Android devices, and the whole BYOD movement stops, 2 things will happen. You'll have a rush from IT departments to purchase BlackBerry devices, which would be good for RIM. But you'll still be leaving all these iPhones and Android handsets in the hands of their owners, most likely with time still left on their contracts. Those owners may decide to keep their phones (thus remaining active users), and may even bite the bullet when their contract expires and get the latest version of their preferred device, especially if they've invested in or are tied in heavily with the ecosystem (apps, services, accessories etc).
You're right, companies that rise, will eventually fall...it's just a matter of when, how, and how hard. Apple and Google are dominant right now in the smartphone market, like RIM was 4 years ago. They're not infalliable, but I still don't think any decline in their market share will occur in a period as quick as a year.The abused: 8703-8130-8330-9630-9800-9900-Z10
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- 04-06-2012, 05:07 PM #32
If every BYOD user who has 1 personal phone suddenly is told they must carry a company phone, they now have 2 phones, the user base of the BOYD phone remains unchange, but the Market share of that phone was just cut in half as the market double in size ( for simple math assuming the market is only BYOD owners etc etc..)
Also those users in a position of financial freedom as I'll call it if their device causes them losses, keeping the device poses a greater financial risk then replacing it, thus decreasing user base, AND decreasing market share.
Also in North America half of mobile phone subscriptions are NOT smartphones, which means that user base remaining constant everyones market share could be cut in half and another player could take the lead, the smartphone market place is still developing, and there are a lot of things that could happen.
I don't suspect we'll see Apple taken down from the top manufacturer in the near future, I can actually see Android falling first due to battling between Hardware makers, and eventual split offsoops...
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- CrackBerry Master
04-06-2012, 06:20 PM #33
- 1,211 Posts
BB OS phone sales will dominate BB10, wp7 sales until sometime, the curves are the high volume sellers in the pre-paid and emerging markets. With or without BB10 RIM will still outsell wp7
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- CrackBerry Addict
04-07-2012, 12:43 PM #34
- 656 Posts
When the Iphone landed it was not everywhere, but months later the carriers with it saw subscriber numbers rise. That was one device on one OS. That analogy falls away on Windows Phone.
What Windows Phone has on it's side is: -
1) Several handset makers backing it. Nokia exclusively.
2) Microsoft is still plugging at it determinedly,
3) It is very stable and capable,
4) Windows 8 is set to throw a bit of focus onto it through tighter integration, which is one of iOS's forte.
We'll have to see.Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal.
- Albert Einstein
- 04-07-2012, 12:56 PM #35
I could see BlackBerry and Windows Phone both benefiting if T-Mobile does not get the iPhone. However, the current Windows Phones available on T-Mobile are low-end. Better Windows Phones and BB10 would both help T-Mobile stop the churn.
- 04-07-2012, 03:26 PM #37
trial on April 16th and because of Google's deliberate refusal to pay for a Java license.
Shortly before Oracle filed its lawsuit, a Google engineer drafted an email saying Google needs to negotiate a license for Java.
Google investigated alternatives to Java for Android and concluded "they all suck," the email said. Google sought to prevent Oracle from using the email in its case.
Microsoft, on the other hand, just has to sit on the sidelines.
- 04-07-2012, 04:37 PM #38
- 04-07-2012, 10:08 PM #39
The worst decision Google ever made.
... now that Oracle owns the patents and copyrights related to Java (a technology originally created by Sun), they have gone after Google with a greedy vengeance, chasing the revenue potential to be found in Google’s use of Java in Android. With the real possibility that Oracle could win billions, both in terms of immediate penalties and from ongoing fees derived from the growing success of the Android platform, $7.4 billion would have been a bargain for Google.
Oracle’s push to derive revenue from Android isn’t the only reason Google should have bought Sun. Rather, it was a strategic error that deprives Google of a standard software development platform at a time when the platform landscape is in flux, shaken in recent years by a device revolution that has driven Apple - and Android - to new heights.
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- 04-07-2012, 10:17 PM #40
- CrackBerry Abuser
04-07-2012, 11:21 PM #41
- 150 Posts
I don't think a windows phone will knock off RIM. I can only speak on behalf of myself, but I simply don't want windows on my phone. It is boring and too much like the computer I spend half my life on.
But I guess for some its the hardware that sells the phone not the OS, so who knows. Having said that, the Lumia at first glance doesn't look that impressive.
- 04-07-2012, 11:51 PM #42
- 04-08-2012, 12:40 AM #43
Well MS got to me... I was planning on saving up for a new smartphone, and originally I was planning on a BB to go with my PB, but the windows challenge arrived and now I have a new HTC Titan at the cost of my 5 year old Nokia E71...
The wp interface is different and a breath of fresh air from ios and android, but like my pb, it lacks in the app department. Of course MS solution is to buy out developers, so overall, I'm excited with my new phone...
Now if RIM were to come out with a similar challenge and/or BB10 phones come out with a unique, sleek, interface, I may end up selling my free HTC Titan and pick up a new BB. We'll wait and see.
- CrackBerry Master
04-08-2012, 02:12 AM #44
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You make some good points there. From what I can see, MS sees itself as a powerhouse. Their goal is to get Windows 8 out and they expect it to sell really well, which would give devs no choice but to develop for their platform. Fortunately, this hasn't happened yet, but they are definitely currently paying the big bucks for some big name apps.
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- 04-08-2012, 09:40 AM #47
I may just be anti-conflict on this, but why must Nokia - or any other smartphone brand - "beat out" another brand? I understand the facet of capitalism and the economic side of the debate - I'm just speaking from a different perspective. Why can't these brands just exist, generate an audience and capital, and not "set out" to "eat the shares" of other companies? Google and Apple are (in my opinion) two examples. Both are great companies with good marketing schemes. I'm fairly confident that they could hold up their own and not need to try and beat out the other in order to generate more capital or revenues. Again, I'm not exactly coming at this from a business standpoint... Just a more concerned one. RIM doesn't need to be "bought out" or anything like that... I admit they must do some catch-up; but these sources [might be] forgetting that BB10 is set to hit stores in the fall or so, and BlackBerry sales and capital might improve due to these upgrades. What if some phone users (who don't own smartphones) see a new BB10 sign and want to try it out? Either way, I find this article interesting but a bit dramatic.
- 04-08-2012, 11:25 AM #50
In the case of professional sports, it is the responsibility of the owners to build a winning team. Not an almost winner.
This basic comparison is the same in business and especially in the Tech Industry. Not one company on the earth wants to dream of becoming a commodity manufacturer. Unless they dominate that industry like Nokia once did and Proctor and Gamble does in several others (by making multiple brands). General Motors used the same model as well.
In the battle of any form of ecosystems, there can only be one real winner. The PC Wars ended with one winner and one alternative. And that alternative barely survived despite having 3% of a very big pie. It's about compatibility.
Consumers expect one dominant force to win. And the others are just "alternatives".