[killa4luv]

HIs article is titled: "If RIM really wants developers on BB10 it needs better tools"
If RIM really wants developers on BB10, it needs better tools | Technology | guardian.co.uk

He talks about how bad it used to be developing for BB, fair enough. But in his article about BB10 he makes no mention of cascades, and the pains RIM went through to make it easy for developers to port existing games and/or create new ones using many open source and cross platform features.

Sounds like an article written months ago. And people are sending it all over twitter.
I already gave him a piece of my mind, you guys should too. If people want to make valid criticisms, thats fine, but this guy has not done his homework. HE DOESN'T MENTION CASCADES ONCE!!!! Does he even know it exists??

GET HIM!!!

[Shlooky]

HIs article is titled: "If RIM really wants developers on BB10 it needs better tools"
If RIM really wants developers on BB10, it needs better tools | Technology | guardian.co.uk

He talks about how bad it used to be developing for BB, fair enough. But in his article about BB10 he makes no mention of cascades, and the pains RIM went through to make it easy for developers to port existing games and/or create new ones using many open source and cross platform features.

Sounds like an article written months ago. And people are sending it all over twitter.
I already gave him a piece of my mind, you guys should too. If people want to make valid criticisms, thats fine, but this guy has not done his homework. HE DOESN'T MENTION CASCADES ONCE!!!! Does he even know it exists??

GET HIM!!!

What? do you own RIM? it's just a phone, get used to it, let them say what they want, ultimately it's RIMs fault anyway.

[OzarkaTexile]

Sounds like an article written months ago. And people are sending it all over twitter.
I already gave him a piece of my mind, you guys should too. If people want to make valid criticisms, thats fine, but this guy has not done his homework. HE DOESN'T MENTION CASCADES ONCE!!!! Does he even know it exists??

GET HIM!!!

It does sound like an older article. RIM's messaging to developers over the past 18 months has been very inconsistent (AIR, HTML5, Android, now Cascades), but their tools are getting better and their developer relations people are getting less arrogant.

I've used PhoneGap and Ripple for other platforms (due to lack of demand, I don't write BlackBerry software any more) and I find them useful, so I disagree with the article writer that they are insulting. HTML5 is the future, but RIM won't live to see it unless they have people developing native apps for their phone.

Which brings us to Cascades. I tried out the IDE this week after the keynote. Article is wrong in that the do actually have an IDE and it's Eclipse based which is good. As RIM's arrogance faded, they have been more willing to use technology from outside of their own organization. From my brief time with Cascades and the new IDE (called qde I think), it's an unfinished and fragile toolchain. They have a very long way to go.

[anthogag]

The guy that wrote the article is a dumb-a$$

And it looks like he didn't attend BBW, doesn't really follow what RIM is doing for developers, and yet 'speaks with authority'. He didn't mention Cascades, qte, etc.

[anthogag]

It does sound like an older article. RIM's messaging to developers over the past 18 months has been very inconsistent (AIR, HTML5, Android, now Cascades), but their tools are getting better and their developer relations people are getting less arrogant.

I've used PhoneGap and Ripple for other platforms (due to lack of demand, I don't write BlackBerry software any more) and I find them useful, so I disagree with the article writer that they are insulting. HTML5 is the future, but RIM won't live to see it unless they have people developing native apps for their phone.

Which brings us to Cascades. I tried out the IDE this week after the keynote. Article is wrong in that the do actually have an IDE and it's Eclipse based which is good. As RIM's arrogance faded, they have been more willing to use technology from outside of their own organization. From my brief time with Cascades and the new IDE (called qde I think), it's an unfinished and fragile toolchain. They have a very long way to go.

...your "brief time with Cascades" and qt (not qde ) and you think it's "unfinished and fragile"...what a joke..."they have a very long way to go"...LMFAO

I think RIM is bending over backwards to make things easy for developers. Cascades will make apps attractive and dynamic...work that developers won't have to do

Cascades will make a lot of developers look better than they ever could be without it. There is so much garbage in any app store

[Thunderbuck]

Wow. Hard to begin with this guy.

He's got many facts wrong. He blasts RIM for showing off the QNX Porsche (suggesting in-car apps are too much of a diversion), clearly unaware that QNX is already a leader in that market. He suggests that RIM offers no IDE for Blackberry development, and that the device simulators won't run on a Mac.

He sounds like one of those bitter developers who are pi$$ed over Java being dropped.

[Shlooky]

Wow. Hard to begin with this guy.

He's got many facts wrong. He blasts RIM for showing off the QNX Porsche (suggesting in-car apps are too much of a diversion), clearly unaware that QNX is already a leader in that market. He suggests that RIM offers no IDE for Blackberry development, and that the device simulators won't run on a Mac.

He sounds like one of those bitter developers who are pi$$ed over Java being dropped.

LOL, he should be happy RIM dropped Java

[Premium1]

What? do you own RIM? it's just a phone, get used to it, let them say what they want, ultimately it's RIMs fault anyway.

Agree people are getting crazy over nothing. Why do you care what some journalist says about a device? The company is still going to make said device and if you like it why do you have to get recognition from everyone else liking it? These forums are turning into as bad as the iphone forums with everyone has to like what I have or lets go bash them.

[mad.dog99]

Ha ha - just had a tweet back from him saying he's correcting it!!!

[mad.dog99]

And now Alec Saunders has waded into my conversation!

Either he's watching these forums or I have a stalker!

[killa4luv]

Agree people are getting crazy over nothing. Why do you care what some journalist says about a device? The company is still going to make said device and if you like it why do you have to get recognition from everyone else liking it? These forums are turning into as bad as the iphone forums with everyone has to like what I have or lets go bash them.

Dbacks way to miss the point. Do i own RIM. Yes, as in I own shares, .

And why do I care that someone is telling untruths about a company I own shares in? Because it has the potential to hurt the brand.

But even if I didn't own shares, I would care because its more negative press that is undeserved. Bad press has an impact, and when it is undeserved its even worse.

I want the platform to succeed, as a fan of the work they are doing and as an investor.

[OzarkaTexile]

...your "brief time with Cascades" and qte (not qde ) and you think it's "unfinished and fragile"...what a joke..."they have a very long way to go"...LMFAO

I think RIM is bending over backwards to make things easy for developers. Cascades will make apps attractive and dynamic...work that developers won't have to do

Cascades will make a lot of developers look better than they ever could be without it. There is so much garbage in any app store

Settle down, spanky. I'm not saying the Cascades framework is unfinished and fragile. It might be awesome. I was talking about my initial experience with the IDE. The article discussed RIM's lack of a decent IDE, so it's kind of relevant.

The IDE is called "QNX Momentics IDE" and shows up on my computer as "qde" all lower case. I'm assuming that's "QNX Dev Environment".

Comparing the out of the box experience as a developer between RIM, Android, and iOS. Android and iOS are miles ahead of RIM in getting started. RIM may have a superior framework in Cascades. I don't know. It's to be expected that RIM has the most rough edges. It is the youngest platform.

I love that they use VMware for the emulator. I love that they use Eclipse.

I'm not seriously considering writing any software for BB10, so my impressions were just from a brief look into the toolchain.

[n8ter#AC]

Personally I refuse to use any IDE based on Eclipse. Just my stance on it. I don't like it. C/C++ will weed aout a lot of bad college kit basement coding developers, though :P

[dentynefire]

Find it hilarious that he wants help correcting his own article. Since he writes Metro UI code for MS phone I don't see much to be worried about competition wise LOL

[sagec]

Personally I refuse to use any IDE based on Eclipse. Just my stance on it. I don't like it. C/C++ will weed aout a lot of bad college kit basement coding developers, though :P

Eclipse is rotten compared to Visual Studio or even Netbeans.

[anthogag]

Settle down, spanky. I'm not saying the Cascades framework is unfinished and fragile. It might be awesome. I was talking about my initial experience with the IDE. The article discussed RIM's lack of a decent IDE, so it's kind of relevant.

The IDE is called "QNX Momentics IDE" and shows up on my computer as "qde" all lower case. I'm assuming that's "QNX Dev Environment".

Comparing the out of the box experience as a developer between RIM, Android, and iOS. Android and iOS are miles ahead of RIM in getting started. RIM may have a superior framework in Cascades. I don't know. It's to be expected that RIM has the most rough edges. It is the youngest platform.

I love that they use VMware for the emulator. I love that they use Eclipse.

I'm not seriously considering writing any software for BB10, so my impressions were just from a brief look into the toolchain.

"unfinished and fragile toolchain" these flowery words are yours

I'm sure the people developing these things for developers (e.g. TAT) are way ahead of anything you made for iOS or android...spanky

[Fmar]

Personally the article makes sense to me...

RIM's developer story over the past two years has darted around like a headless chicken. "You use J2ME!", "Now use HTML5!", "Now you can use Android!", "Now you can't use Android as we said you could before!", "Now use Flash!", "Now we've got a new OS, so cross-compile everything!", "Now we haven't finished that OS but here's a device that's basically it but not quite because we haven't decided!"

How wrong was any of that?

[belfastdispatcher]

I read that yesterday, really pissed me off. Sounds to me like the guys predicted RIM will be dead some time ago and his predictions are not coming off.

He called RIM "stupid" for going into the automotive business, the doesn't even know QNX is already in most cars.

I quickly unsubscribed from the RSS feed.

[Thunderbuck]

Personally the article makes sense to me...



How wrong was any of that?

What's "wrong" is the unfair characterization. He's essentially slamming RIM for supporting a variety of platforms. All of those--except for J2ME--are available to developers on BB10, and depending on the app and the developer, any of them might be appropriate.

Is there something "wrong" with offering a variety of development platforms?

[_StephenBB81]

It does sound like an older article. RIM's messaging to developers over the past 18 months has been very inconsistent (AIR, HTML5, Android, now Cascades), but their tools are getting better and their developer relations people are getting less arrogant.

I've used PhoneGap and Ripple for other platforms (due to lack of demand, I don't write BlackBerry software any more) and I find them useful, so I disagree with the article writer that they are insulting. HTML5 is the future, but RIM won't live to see it unless they have people developing native apps for their phone.

Which brings us to Cascades. I tried out the IDE this week after the keynote. Article is wrong in that the do actually have an IDE and it's Eclipse based which is good. As RIM's arrogance faded, they have been more willing to use technology from outside of their own organization. From my brief time with Cascades and the new IDE (called qde I think), it's an unfinished and fragile toolchain. They have a very long way to go.

You've got a Case of NIBS
HTML5 can make apps with WebWorks that look as good as Cascade apps, RIM has put ALOT of work into the BBUI.js Alice.js, and working with the likes of jQuery
The Tool kits are all developing still, and RIM is ASKING for feedback, having the actual tool kit architects asking us in round tables what is more important, and helping them set priorities means they are actually listening,

RIM of 2011 is NOT RIM of 2012, new CEO, new mindset, and they are getting things together. still room to go, but anyone who is a Web app Developer should be looking at BB10 development and the BB10 tools,