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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert_123 View Post
    I hope to god that those leaked pics of the qwerty are NOT final hardware, or at least the back door...
    Really? It causes you to invoke prayer?

    Dear Lord, please make the back of a phone I might buy pretty...

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    Reading the report it seems to have the LTE band for Telstra in Oz too. 850 is the one I think, is that right?
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    Even if one of these pics is final hardware (we clearly saw two revisions based on the two different backs), the simple fact of the matter is that until there are actually high quality pics of the device you cannot really judge it properly as seen by the changing response to the l-series.
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    A quick search with google of "RFF91LW"
    Gives you this arcticle: BlackBerry 10 , A Japanese website
    And, Furthermore, it tells you the Specific Bands that will be available on The device.

    706.5~713.4 MHz:LTE 700(B17) MHz
    824.7~848.2 MHz:LTE 850(B5) MHz
    1710.7~1754.2 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    1850.7~1909.2 MHz:LTE 1900(B2) MHz
    826.4~846.6 MHz:W-CDMA 850(V) MHz
    1852.4~1907.6 MHz:W-CDMA 1900(II) MHz
    824.2~848.8 MHz:GSM 850 MHz
    1850.2~1909.8 MHz:GSM 1900 MHz
    2402.0~2480.0 MHz:Bluetooth
    2412.0~2462.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
    5180.0~5240.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5260.0~5320.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5500.0~5700.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5745.0~5825.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    13.56 MHz:RFID

    モバイルネットワークはLTE 1900(B2)/1700(B4)/850(B5)/700(B17) MHz, W-CDMA 1900(II)/850(V) MHz, GSM 1900/850 MHzで通過している。

    Bluetoothや無線LANの周波数でも通過している。

    無線LAN通信はIEEE 802.11 a/b/g/nに対応している。

    2.4GHz帯に加えて5.xGHz帯での無線LAN通信も可能となっている。

    RFIDの周波数でも通過していることより、NFCに対応していることが分かる。
    P.S:No, I couldn't translate this with Google Translate.
    and heres another Image BlackBerry 10
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    Both LTE networks in Australia use 1800 MHz. Oh dear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinnugent View Post
    Both LTE networks in Australia use 1800 MHz. Oh dear.
    Don't worry, This won't be the only networks available. Hopefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomblackberryguy View Post
    Don't worry, This won't be the only networks available. Hopefully.
    The Z10 doesn't do 1800 MHz. Australia uses 1800 MHz exclusively (like a lot of countries). This is crazy. Our networks have spent billions to upgrade to LTE and RIMs flagship phone won't be able to access it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinnugent View Post
    The Z10 doesn't do 1800 MHz. Australia uses 1800 MHz exclusively (like a lot of countries). This is crazy. Our networks have spent billions to upgrade to LTE and RIMs flagship phone won't be able to access it.
    Don't worry, I am sure they realize that. This is from a FCC filing, which is American. It just means that the NA version doesn't do 1800 Mhz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomblackberryguy View Post
    A quick search with google of "RFF91LW"
    Gives you this arcticle: BlackBerry 10 , A Japanese website
    And, Furthermore, it tells you the Specific Bands that will be available on The device.

    706.5~713.4 MHz:LTE 700(B17) MHz
    824.7~848.2 MHz:LTE 850(B5) MHz
    1710.7~1754.2 MHz:LTE 1700(B4) MHz
    1850.7~1909.2 MHz:LTE 1900(B2) MHz
    826.4~846.6 MHz:W-CDMA 850(V) MHz
    1852.4~1907.6 MHz:W-CDMA 1900(II) MHz
    824.2~848.8 MHz:GSM 850 MHz
    1850.2~1909.8 MHz:GSM 1900 MHz
    2402.0~2480.0 MHz:Bluetooth
    2412.0~2462.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
    5180.0~5240.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5260.0~5320.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5500.0~5700.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    5745.0~5825.0 MHz:Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n
    13.56 MHz:RFID

    モバイルネットワークはLTE 1900(B2)/1700(B4)/850(B5)/700(B17) MHz, W-CDMA 1900(II)/850(V) MHz, GSM 1900/850 MHzで通過している。

    Bluetoothや無線LANの周波数でも通過している。

    無線LAN通信はIEEE 802.11 a/b/g/nに対応している。

    2.4GHz帯に加えて5.xGHz帯での無線LAN通信も可能となっている。

    RFIDの周波数でも通過していることより、NFCに対応していることが分かる。
    P.S:No, I couldn't translate this with Google Translate.
    and heres another Image BlackBerry 10
    I translated it for you guys
    Research In Motion-LTE/W-CDMA/GSM Terminal "RFF91LW" passes FCC with a 12/30/2012.
    FCCID is a L6ARFF90LW.
    RFF91LW pass FCC frequency below.
    706.5-713.4 (B17) MHz, LTE 700 MHz 824.7-848.2 (B5) MHz, LTE 850 MHz 1710.7-1754.2 (B4) MHz, LTE 1700 MHz 1850.7-1909.2 (B2) MHz, LTE 1900 MHz 826.4 to 846.6 MHz, W-CDMA 850 (V) 1852.4-1907.6 MHz MHz, W-CDMA 1900 (II) 824.2 MHz to 848.8 MHz, GSM 850 MHz 1850.2 To 1909.8 MHz:GSM 1900 MHz, 2402.0-2480.0 MHz, Bluetooth 2412.0-2462.0 MHz, Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 b/g/n 5180.0-5240.0 MHz, Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n 5260.0-5320.0 MHz, Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n 5500.0-5700.0 MHz, Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a / n 5745.0-5825.0 MHz, Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11 a/n 13.56 MHz RFID,
    Mobile network LTE 1900 (B2) (B4) 1700 / 850 (B5) / (B17) 700 MHz, and w-CDMA 1900 / 850 (II) has to go through (V) MHz, GSM 1900 / 850 MHz.
    Going through even the frequency of Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Wireless LAN communications are supported in the IEEE 802.11 a/b / g/n. In addition to the 2.4 GHz Wireless LAN communication in the 5.xGHz belt also become possible. Rather than going through the RFID frequency even shows NFC enabled. RFF91LW is a number of unreleased devices.
    Would be adopted in 10 BlackBerry OS smartphone. United States AT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goint View Post
    Don't worry, I am sure they realize that. This is from a FCC filing, which is American. It just means that the NA version doesn't do 1800 Mhz.
    The FCC approval usually includes non-US bands, to allow travelers with local frequencies to carry their NA-export phones when visiting USA. Looks like this variant will not be exported to Australia... or a lot of other places.
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    yeah, i'm sure they didn't think americans would care if they couldn't get 4g in australia. I wouldn't care. I would care if 3g didn't work though but I'm guessing that won't be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyEvul View Post
    There are still people who believe BB10 is vaporware? Have they been living under a rock?
    Haters have a stake of pride to try and ensure they don't look like the ignorant dolts they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Bla1ze
    It's not.

    It's almost as if nobody learned anything from the Z10 pics and early judgment.
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    I have been saying stuff like this the whole time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pooger View Post
    yeah, i'm sure they didn't think americans would care if they couldn't get 4g in australia. I wouldn't care. I would care if 3g didn't work though but I'm guessing that won't be an issue.
    There are probably some territories where "foreign" frequency bands will conflict on technical grounds, or may prevent approval for legal reasons. A classic example which always causes problems would be where the local system uses a reversed frequency shift between transmit and receive, but there will be many other more subtle examples.
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    The only thing I'm really disappointed in that hasn't been mentioned here is the fact its using a single antenna and will not support simaltaneous Voice and data so looks like we on verizon are in the same boat as the iPhone5 people who weren't happy about not being able to surf and talk. Oh well... Not a deal breaker but disappointing for me. I have gotten used to being able to talk and surf over here in Japan. I also hope that the verizon phone can be unlocked and used over here in Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinnugent View Post
    The Z10 doesn't do 1800 MHz. Australia uses 1800 MHz exclusively (like a lot of countries). This is crazy. Our networks have spent billions to upgrade to LTE and RIMs flagship phone won't be able to access it.
    No, what will not be able to access your LTE network is the NA variant of the device, but that is not an issue since carriers do not actually have LTE roaming agreements in place due to the wide variation in frequencies being used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunktasticLucky View Post
    The only thing I'm really disappointed in that hasn't been mentioned here is the fact its using a single antenna and will not support simaltaneous Voice and data
    Simultaneous voice and (cellular) data is a feature of the network technology, there is no reason a single antenna design would prevent support. Most of the recent 3G phones have been single antenna, and both services work concurrently - except on the obsolete CDMA networks in North America.
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    Multiple things can be ran on one antenna. It is possible. We will have to see if they do it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheScionicMan View Post
    Really? It causes you to invoke prayer?

    Dear Lord, please make the back of a phone I might buy pretty...

    Dude you have noooo idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Branta View Post
    Simultaneous voice and (cellular) data is a feature of the network technology, there is no reason a single antenna design would prevent support. Most of the recent 3G phones have been single antenna, and both services work concurrently - except on the obsolete CDMA networks in North America.
    Sorry I forgot to mention I'm on Verizon and therefor the CDMA variety... And so yeah no simultaneous voice and data
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